Greece Overprinted 1911-23 Errors?

Hi All,
First post and new member. Am looking for help in identifying some posable error stamps from greece. In the 2022 scott cataloge standard vol. 3A G pg. 631. Starting at 1913- this o/p reading up- is this how most of them look? kinda of sloppy, large letters, etc. I have several o/p errors I believe but catalog is not that specific. I will upload a couple images. Would be thankful for help identifying. one is a double o/p with a faint horizontal and a vertical o/p. 6 stamp pic has o/p's reading up and down, o/p cut at top and bottom, missing letter, etc. Also a imperf pair I believe.

bjones ---Welcome to the board ,thanks for your interest in Greek stamps .

First my catalog list both the reading up and the reading down . It also has the Black overprint ,the red overprint and the Carmine color printings . I use the Scott Specialized .

The double overprint with AHMNOE is from Lemnos ,It doesn't show a stamp with Lemmnos and the wording of Greek administration on the same stamp . Somebody may find it but my quick check didn't see it .

The catalog also states Counterfeits exist .

I would not call the other stamp that a double overprint ,it is a mis-register of a overprint ,On to two stamps .

Hellas & Hermes both list Imperf pairs:that means imperf on all 4 sides.
The only pair (10 drachma) exists imperf horizontally.

Thank you everyone, that was a quick response. I was collecting stamps pretty hard during the pandemic shut downs. Before that I dabbled a little on and off for a few years. As far as my opinion, I am a semi beginner being burned a few times but getting better. I've inventoried/valued my stamp collection over the last year with Scott 2022 catalog prices and stampworld.com(nice site but I guess they have there own numbering system). I'm around 80% inventoried at about $70k. I was buying alot of auctions so it did not really take long to get what I have. Sorry, I'm blabbering. To the point, the pics I uploaded from greece - I misspoke, I found those under - for use in parts of turkey. (6 stamp pic) top left - N150e?. top right - N151?. center left - ? center right - ?. bottom left + right - ? single stamp pic - n?. perferated pair with imperf between - 209a?
Would anyone agree with what I have so far?
Thank you again.

N110 Serpentine Oops Serrate roulette 1912 CV circa 50c 1 Lepta Green
N130 red opt

Imperf between
Your image offering is too poor
It may be rouletted and we cannot see the knife marks


(Perforated)

The item is not perforated, no paper is removed
The paper is die cut or knife slits.
(Various shapes and designs in philately)

BJONES ----- I like what your doing with collecting Greece . Your buy at stamp auctions is a good move also .

I don't agree with your doing a inventory ,at this point in your journey there is no reason since it will be changing at a rapid rate as your collection grows . Don't spend too much time looking for rarities ,try working on education and getting the building blocks of philately down first .

Each collector collects differently so don't take what I am saying as any kind of fix method of collecting .

BJONES ---This past month I purchased a two vol. Greece collection ,the value of my purchase is in the first 4 pages of a 220 page collection .

The collection is clean and nicely mounted ,with better values in mounts . But to me it is a mess ,why ? Because a lot of stamps are mounted on top of each other thru the whole collection . I can not figure out what the previous collector is trying to tell me . There are no notes in the collection. Why are the same stamp mounted next to each other and why many stamp spaces have many stamps on top of each other ,I see that and puzzled are they different shades ,different perforations ,different watermarks there is no notes . I am starting to believe it is a holding place for duplicates ,if that is the case then it needs to be clean up and removed . Again as stated above ever collectors collects his way .

Hi bjones,

Welcome to SCF!

This is a fairly complicated issue with lots of variations as you can see in the catalogues.

My first question for these is to decide whether one of these stamps is recess or litho.

Here's a short discussion about his point (and there may well be others here):

https://goscf.com/t/70568

My usual test is just to check whether the front of the stamp is rough to the touch (recess) or smooth (litho.)

I'm not confident about distinguishing them by sight, especially on a computer screen, although the colour of the paper can help.

The catalogues also differ how they list the ELLENIKE DIOIKESIS overprints, e.g. within the main Greece listing (Hellas, Vlastos, HERMES, SG) or as back of the book "Occupation & Annexation" issues (Scott, Michel).

My main advice would be to assume any of these overprints are forgeries unless you have good evidence for thinking otherwise. Just because a stamp has a low catalogue values doesn't mean it's genuine.

The LEMNOS and ELLENIKE DIOIKESIS overprints were issued around the same time and one stamp was issued with both as you've shown here.

This is listed in Vlastos, Hermes, SG, Scott (#N52A) and Michel. It may be somewhere in Hellas as well but I can't see it.

Both the Greek catalogues and SG have detailed listings of the overprint varieties but I've not seen one with the "H" (E) missing as "ELL NIKE" like your stamp. So maybe it's a forgery or just a one-off inking problem.

Thanks NIGELC ----Someday I will learn to check my own collection first before I say I can't find it in the catalog .

Thank you again for your responses. I scanned this with my printer, this is the best I can get on this one.

I can see the roulette cuts between the stamps. Nothing unusual about that.

Actually, you could likely do better. If you crop the image to have only the stamps, you can get higher resolution in 300 kb image size (that assuming you needed to reduce the resolution to post it here).

Here are examples from Crete of both "imperf vert" and "imperf between" errors:


British Administration in Crete SG B2 (var.), horiz. strip of three, imperf vert.


British Administration in Crete SG B2 (var.), horiz. pair, imperf between.

Vlastos lists the 10 pa. blue imperf vert and an imperf between pair for the 20 pa. green but not this one.