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Malaysia Johore $100 Stamp

 
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Posted 02/17/2022   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bailey500 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I am trying to identify hos stamp, I ca find the stamp but the over print is not correct. I also need help determining if there is a watermark. I cannot see one. Thank you.



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Posted 02/17/2022   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revenue cancel?
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Posted 02/17/2022   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but the over print is not correct.

What overprint would that be please?

I would think revenue use almost certainly.
Has a red and black pen line across the stamp,
and a green wavy line crayon.

Was probably attached to some sort of printed paper.

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Johore first issued revenues in 1904. From that year until 1922, of postage stamps showing Sultan Ibrahim were overprinted JUDICIAL for court use. These stamps are known with a number of different watermarks as they were in use for almost 20 years. At the same time, postage stamps were used for other non-judicial fiscal needs, and until the 1920s there were various postage stamps with high values that were intended for fiscal use only.

Nice stamp to have!

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Edited by rod222 - 02/17/2022 9:48 pm
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Posted 02/17/2022   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You may wish to go to this link.
Beautifully prepared work, that gives some insight into Watermark detection.
http://www.kgvistamps.com/articles/...re-1904.html
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Posted 02/18/2022   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGVIStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are only two possible watermark options for this stamp. It is either a single Rosette, or Multiple Script CA (MSCA). The Rosette watermark would make it SG 77, Scott 75, and the MSCA watermark would make it SG 127, Scott 124. The two watermark options are shown below. Ignore the coloring of the Rosette watermark it is not blue, that is just what happens when you use a digital microscope to view the image.
Try holding the stamp near a strong light when you check the watermark since you can't see it in the tray.

Rosette Watermark


Multiple Script CA
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Edited by KGVIStamps - 02/18/2022 08:58 am
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Posted 02/19/2022   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bailey500 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your input. I watermarked this three time, held it under a bright light at all angles and finally scanned. Viola it's Scott #124. Revenue cancelled. I will scan first from now on.


It does nor appear to have been adhered, or hinged. Any thought? Am I missing a tell tell sign? Thanks again.



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Posted 02/19/2022   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Possibility.
Your postmark / cancellation is HRU
From a double ring JOHORE BAHRU

Going by the ring arc, I'd suggest an elliptic / oval fiscal strike.
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Edited by rod222 - 02/19/2022 09:08 am
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Posted 02/19/2022   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bailey500 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does this change the Scott # or CV? I am not well versed in cancellations or fiscal stamps. Thank you.
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Catalogue values are ordinarily for postage stamps, rather than fiscal stamps, which this stamp has become. There's usually a significant discount on the catalogue price for a fiscally used stamp - the upside is that they become affordable to more collectors.
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Posted 02/19/2022   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGVIStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revenue stamps tend to sell for 10% of the catalog value, but it depends on where you try to sell it and how many people are interested. I would list it with an on-line auction if I had one and wanted to sell it.
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Posted 02/19/2022   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bailey500 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the information, I am unable to see a C&A mark, can either of you make it out?[
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Posted 02/19/2022   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You can see the crown pretty distinctly, so it is not the rosette watermark.
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Posted 02/20/2022   05:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have black stamp mounts?
With your stamp tongs, place stamp face down in a black stamp mount
(better with a little longer strip)
then shine a bright light through the back
I use a tiny LED torch, and the Watermark should show rather nicely with these.
Good Luck.
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There is a good possibility that the RED LINE was a protection mark done by a private company to mark their stamps against thief . It was done with a ruler to make a clear red line and not something a clerk in the post office or court house would do . Same meaning as those rubber stamped markings used by companies .
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