Ebay Sellers Allowed To Sell Obvious Fakes

Seller Egnatia Shop has listed dozens of obvious fakes. I've seen other seller also like this. I reported to eBay and apparently they dont care anymore.

*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***

1) Can you prove to eBay that they're fake?
2) eBay responds to trademark and copyright holders and others who suffer economic loss from the sale of fakes. Do you suffer an economic loss from the sale of these fakes?
3) For all eBay knows or cares, you're just a crank who doesn't know what you're talking about. Can you prove that you do know what you're talking about?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Egn...ome&ie=UTF-8

Multiple loud trumpets of "run away from this seller" going on here.

1) Multiple negative feedback comments about FAKE overprints and stamps
2) No certificates
3) No scans of the backs
4) No catalog numbers referenced
5) A focus on overprints and "essays"
6) 99 cent starting bids

This is a prime example of eBay not giving a *%$#.

Love the large amount of Darrah overprints. Unluckily for this seller Siegel happens to have a beautifully illustrated and researched auction coming up full of Darrah overprints. Unluckily only if any of the nimrods bidding on this stuff knows what Siegel is and does some due diligence. Or even reads the feedback.



Here are some feedback selections:







You get the drift.

Sadly I buy such fakes (or facsimiles) when they are within one of my areas to have them as a reference when the fake is dangerous for proper identification. Thus I am willingly and knowing spending my money in a manner I am not suffering economic loss.

FWTW, the copyright, if any, is often long expired.

Edit: While I saw the negative and neutral feed back, what is so troubling is the large amount of positive feed back often coming in large groups from one buyer with many such buyers. It does not look like there is shilling going on, plus the sold prices are often a mere tiny fraction of catalog for a genuine item. Thus it appears many still buyers buy at prices which indicate the buyers know what they are buying. Of course there can just be multiple clueless bidders each competing for a steal of a price compared to catalog, and are happy to not ask questions when the material arrives.

Well I guess in order to prove I have to buy and item and pay to get a cert. That's not happening.

I dont mind them selling fakes, I just want them to say so in the listing.

All those poor smucks paying $40 for a fake though......

I agree but note that even fakes and forgeries have a market value for some folks, perhaps not us, but some folks.

Remember much of the "Old Masters" art work hung in homes are reproductions which is an art world term for "fake" or "forgery" that has become accepted. Of course my 'Dogs Playing Poker' is an original, right?

In my opinion supporting these sellers means they will keep listing.
Don

Agree Don. But.....
"No one has ever lost a buck underestimating the intelligence of the American consumer."
I believe attributed to P.T. Barnum
Cheers mark

On this point I agree with Parcelpostguy 100%.

Otherwise, give these sellers no oxygen.

Their product will never be held in the same regard as Sperati, let alone Spiro, Fournier, Oneglia, Panelli etc.

There is an estimated 60 million stamp collector in the world today. So if only 1/10th of 1% of them collect forgeries, then market for this guy is around 60,000 buyers.

Or to make the point another way, how many sales would it take to make it worthwhile to print some of these fakes up?
Don

I did my small part and reported the seller. He will get shut down eventually, then surface under a new name.

I just tallied his per day sales from his sold listings and this POS is raking in over $1,000 daily. This is not small-time fraud. Come on eBay. LE needs to get more involved with this stuff and eBay needs to take a good hit for facilitating it.

eBay does not care about stamps, but they will take care of folks buying trading cards:




https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity...radingcards/

Alub - Don't get me wrong. This is a great thing. The rub is that a card listing must be listed at or sell for more than $500 which does nothing to stem any of the types of fraud in this topic. Still, it would be a welcome development in the stamp categories. Have to start somewhere. I really like that the cert is done separate of the buyer and seller thus eliminating the cert fraud that sellers like Philip Ryle engage in.

There's already been some discussion on eBay requiring that for all collectibles above a certain threshold. There was a pretty good discussion over on the Conversations with Philatelists podcast on this not too long ago where they talked about the potential impact of all stamp transactions above a certain amount being required to be authenticated.