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Posted 03/19/2022   07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Pshann to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all
Can anyone explain why this stamp has no features?
Maybe left in the sun?
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Posted 03/19/2022   07:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not an unusual look for this issue, Scott 206. The color, soft paper and worn dies ( over 2 billion of these were printed) did not make for the crispest, most detailed of impressions at times.
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Posted 03/19/2022   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks
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Posted 03/19/2022   07:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you also advise re this stamp?
I can see it's different but cannot establish what stamp it is.
Thanks
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Posted 03/19/2022   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 212 from 1887.

Have you tried Stamp Smarter?

https://stampsmarter.org/1847usa/18...tml#Scott134
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Posted 03/19/2022   07:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
I will now
Much appreciated
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Posted 03/19/2022   08:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I see it
Thankyou
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Posted 03/19/2022   08:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 212 ?
I'm sorry but all I see is imperforate.
The stamp I posted was perforated
Can you advise further?
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Posted 03/19/2022   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The images on the page show just the stamp designs, not actual stamps. All stamps for this series are perf 12 as noted in the first line of teh page.
Or click on the catalog number #212 on the page to see the details which also call out perf 12.
Don
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Posted 03/19/2022   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 03/19/2022   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam said:

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Not an unusual look for this issue, Scott 206. The color, soft paper and worn dies



The idea that the dies were worn was first suggested in the 1887 PMG report as expressed by 3rd assistant PMG Harris. That idea was incorrect. Harris had equated postage stamp production with the printing of postal stationary which was printed from "hub dies". However, for intaglio printing of stamps there is nothing about the process to cause wear on the die, which is used to make the cylinder dies, aka transfer rolls, for plate production. Both the original die and the rolls are case hardened prior to use. Like the rolls, a die may crack, but it does not wear. The original die for #206 still exists and was used in 1904 to make the small die proofs for the Roosevelt albums. The impressions are just as good as the original die proofs pulled when these stamps were current.

The problem you point out, shallow impressions, were not the result of die wear, nor even due to plate wear per se. This problem was due to complexities in plate wiping during printing, coupled with the use of a soft porous paper that made serious demands on plate pressure as the ink was transferred to the paper. Part of that was due to the way the designs had been engraved, and when steam presses (with automatic wipers) were required in 1885 the problem got so out of hand the 1c stamp of 1882 (206) had to be completely redesigned. This problem is briefly discussed in the 2022 U.S. Specialized essay section in an article introducing the listing for #212-E, the stamp that was designed to deal with this problem.

The pics in this discussion have too much light and make the problem appear worse. But it was a bad problem all the same. All too often the vignette of Franklin came out as but a silhouette.
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Posted 03/19/2022   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Essayk - Great stuff! Always learn more here from people such as yourself that have the knowledge AND are willing to share it. All the best my friend.
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Posted 03/19/2022   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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However, for intaglio printing of stamps there is nothing about the process to cause wear on the die, which is used to make the cylinder dies, aka transfer rolls, for plate production. Both the original die and the rolls are case hardened prior to use. Like the rolls, a die may crack, but it does not wear.


Spot on.


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...the [transfer] rolls ... may crack, but... does not wear.


An extreme example of a progressive transfer roll fracture (or chipping) is the progressive deterioration on the US 1925 QE4 (formerly QE4a) which began on Plate Number 17103 (UL 17 through LR 50) and continued into Plate Number 17104 after LL 26 was re-entered on 17103. This produced the varieties listed in Scott for plate 17103. Stamps from Plate 17104 were never released but the plate proof sheet, also not released to the public, shows the continued transfer roll deterioration/disintegration. I have personally examined that plate proof. Edit: If memory serves, 17104 never went to press for production but the BEP press history would give the definitive answer.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 03/19/2022 11:48 pm
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