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Scott 594 - Have I Got This Right?

 
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Posted 03/24/2022   07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Pshann to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all
Comments would be appreciated.
I'm not sure whether I have got this right or alternatively, completely misunderstand how to approach.
Thanks

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Posted 03/24/2022   07:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 03/24/2022   08:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Rodgcam

I came across this stamp tonight as per the pictures.
I am trying to ascertain if I'm doing it right?

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Posted 03/24/2022   10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like you are using two completely different stamps overlayed on each other. Did you go to the link?
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Posted 03/24/2022   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have two suggestions for you. First, ignore what previous owners IDed stamp as, always make the ID yourself. Second, always start your ID process with the assumption that you have one of the millions or billions common varieties since that is the case 99.9998% of the time.
I also agree with Partime, read the links or search this forum for previous posts. There are other things to look for other than design dimensions that should be conisdered first. The dimensions, being the hardest and least reliable, should only be considered as last step.
Don
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Posted 03/25/2022   03:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime and Don
Thanks for your help.
I agree and will heed your advice to try and better understand.
Much appreciated
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Posted 03/25/2022   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mirman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I never look at any number on the back of a stamp until I have ID'd it. Then I look at the number if we end up with the same thing. I realize that even if both numbers match, we could both be wrong, LOL
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Posted 03/27/2022   05:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all
Have I got it right now?
Perf 11 x 11
Back of stamp - no green marks
Template - hopefully 322
Would appreciate your further help
Thanks


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Posted 03/27/2022   06:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry
Typo
Meant to type template 332
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Posted 03/27/2022   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 552 comparison??
Not sure I have done this right
552 on right
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Posted 03/27/2022   07:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just noticed that chin on right hand stamp is lower than left hand stamp
Am I seeing things???
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Posted 03/27/2022   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, you are seeing things.

Shades of this stamp listed in Scott.

Deep green
Green
Pale Green
Yellow green

Always your best bet is to use a perforation gauge, takes all the guessing out. Find one on ebay for $5. When scanning stamps it's always best to also scan the backs and show them as well.
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Posted 03/27/2022   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pshann,
Let's take this from the top. First, your stamp is a Scott 632, which is perf 11 x 10.5. Here are two images of your left stamp. I have drawn 2 lines on the perforations. Note the alignment of the two perf tips at the top and the half-alignment near the bottom. Since a stamp is close to 20mm in size, this shows the perforation rate is 1/2 different between the top and side, thus can only be Scott 632. The fact that you noted no green set-off on the reverse side is also confirming to a rotary pres printing.


Moving forward ... When identifying stamps from the "Fourth Bureau Issues", the definitive set from 1923-38, which you have here, the first step is having a list of the possibilities whether from Stampsmarter or Scott, etc. I can't tell what reference you are using, but it would be helpful to us in guiding you through the process.

The next step is determining the perforation gauge. The majority will be 11 x 10.5, followed by some perf 11 x 11, then very few perf 10, then a few other scarce oddities. The perforation gauge alone will ID most of these stamps without any other metric needed.

If a stamp is 11 x 10.5, it is identified. There is no need to use a template. Additionally, templates should be from the same issue. You are showing a Washington/Franklin stamp over a 4th Bureau stamp, which doesn't demonstrate the proper use of the technique. One also has to have the proper ID on the template, to know how to interpret the results.

Shades: I would not get caught up in the shades of this issue. Yes, certain printings (i.e., perforation varieties) tend to come only in certain shades, that is something you will get a feel for after sorting out a considerable quantity.

Fortunately, there are no watermarks to contend with, which makes this issue easier than the previous Washington/Franklin series.

I hope this helps.
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Posted 03/28/2022   01:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John
Thanks so much for your patience with me and the brilliant explanation.
As my eyes get worse - I struggle with perforations and the gauge
you have shown me a simple way to ensure I can double check

Much appreciated
Pshann
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