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1923 George Washington Different Perforation

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Posted 08/20/2022   03:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all you smart and kind people out there !
I need if anyone knows a valuation on an item I have in my collection 1923 George Washington American post card perforation11 & 10 top bottom … H/W 25.0 * 22.0 mm
And to who also wishes to put their 10 cents in !! Please do ..
I will send few pics in my next message … still new to all this forum stuff …

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Posted 08/20/2022   07:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
More info https://stampsmarter.org/1847usa/wa...d31perf.html
(see stamps marked 'Compound perforations')
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Posted 08/20/2022   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum!

As you can see from Don's link, there are lot of look-a-likes to your stamp. It was the workhorse design from c1908-1923, known commonly as the "Washington/Franklin series, This was a time of great transition in stamp production in the U.S. with changes in watermarks (Double-line USPS to single-line USPS to none), printing method (flat, rotary, and wartime offset), perforation rates, and coils becoming commonplace. It can be a complicated series, especially identifying the 1, 2, and 3 cent denominations correctly.

Perforation rates for compound-perforated stamps are expressed in the catalog with the top/bottom first, then the side rate. Your stamp would be "perf 10x11". I agree with your gauging of it. That leaves only one stamp it can be, Scott 542, without having to make any other measurements or observations. Hopefully you have concluded the same from Don's link.

Size: The Scott catalog (and many collectors) get bogged down in the size listings, rather than concentrating on the other features (perforation, watermark, printing method, design type). The measurement of the size should be of the printed image, rather than the total stamp size. Scott's limited coverage of details on booklet stamps often adds to the confusion.

Establishing a value for postal history is an art which takes into account many facets. For your Scott 542, the "catalog value" is $1.50 for "very fine", off cover and $5.50 on cover (Scott 2017). Your stamp has significantly lesser centering and a few short perforation at right side of the bottom row, thus two negative factors. Scott's "U.S. Supplement by Grade" has an off cover value of 35 cents for VG-50, which is more representative of your stamp condition. There may also be a surface scuff to the upper right corner of the stamp? The postcard is soiled, creased, and worn, also a negative. On the plus side, the cancel is a from a machine made by the American Postal Machines Company, which produced these attractive flag cancels on several thousand cities. The flag cancel in Shelbyville, Tennessee was used from 1922-26 and rates at "31 points" (on a scale of 1-100) in Frederick Langford's "Standard Flag Cancel Encyclopedia, 4th ed., 2008). For a nice impression on an envelope this equates to about $5, less for postcards and for weaker strikes. Overall I would place a retail value on your card at about $1.50 to $2, but it will be interesting to see what others think, higher or lower - and why.
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Posted 08/20/2022   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add erilaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I won't hazard a guess about the value, but I will say that there may be more value in the postcard than in the stamp, and the most value is definitely in both of them together. Whatever you do, don't remove the stamp from the postcard, or the value of each will decrease significantly.
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Posted 08/20/2022   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers John for taking the time sharing this valuable information much appreciated….
Erilaz you too thank you mate !
And last but not least Don you are a legend thank you for that link !
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Posted 08/20/2022   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looked in the catalogue, I couldn't find a 1 cent George Washington's stamp that was produced in 1923 …
The postcard I had uploaded says 1923 but really that's not the year that stamp was created ! .. I wonder what is the right year John or anyone that knows pls


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Posted 08/20/2022   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/20/2022   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/20/2022   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is the difference between that stamp I just posted out of "Stampworld" catalogue and the one on the postcard ??

Anyone ?!

Just remember this old saying !:) … Be kind and the world will be kind back at ya :)

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Roni
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Posted 08/20/2022   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp get used many years after their issuance. The stamp is still valid for postage today.

The difference is in the fine print. The stamp you show from Stampworld is "Perf: 10 at top OR bottom", which means perf 10 at ONLY ONE, not both top and bottom (and perf 11 of the other 3 sides). The result of a perforation wheel repair. Your stamp is perf 10 at BOTH top and bottom, thus still a 542
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Posted 08/20/2022   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah ha I see thank You Sir !
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Posted 08/20/2022   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 2bOrNot2b to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi , Back again … only cause I know if I was going to get and wise opinion or advice it's from you beautiful people ….

My next question is all about the 5 cent deep blue special printing … I don't know how cause they all look like special to me … I will send a pic in my next message and hopefully I will learn a thing or two

Toast to everyone… To Your Health .. Cheers
Roni
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