Print Shift Error ?

Hi !

Does anyone can tell me if this stamp is enough "shift" to be a error or a major print shift ?

Thanks !

Hello ccool.......


Welcome to the club........

It is not a print shift......it is a perf shift freak......worth maybe a dollar or so to a freak collector.

Hmmmm. I am not so sure

That looks like a die-cut stamp

Can you confirm ccool?

Hi !

All the " teeth " are here ( the scan are not so clear )

* by the way i'm not the better in english lol

Other comment's are also welcome :)

Thanks !

Your English is fine ccool.

Diecut means basically the teeth are cut by knives
and not by "pin" punctures, you can usually see
if the ends of the perfs have been slightly torn.
then it is "perforated"

nr-notrare is still right, the die cut, or the perforator
settings have shifted, not the print.
It is just we stamp collectors are finnicky about little things
like that

Bonjour, je pense que tu parle en francais mon ami. Nice stamp, cool with 2 c's. Nice shift. I do not know about Austria, but in Canada, there would be a slight premium over normal.

Hello ccool, welcome!

I enjoy perf or die-cut shifts. Thanks for sharing.

I think that yours is just starting to be a 'noticeable' or more valuable die-cut shift. The more the oddity is visible to the naked eye, the more glaring the error, the more valuable.

If your stamp had part of the design from the next stamp on it, instead of just part of the margin, I think it would be worth more to the oddity collector.

But, sometimes, the shifts are not too visible on some stamps from sheets (or booklets or coil rolls) so even a small shift might be worth more because it is the only example that any shifts happened on that stamp issue at all.

Example: (First pic) I was lucky (I think) to get a Canada Year of the Pig stamp shifted a bit, like yours, so that the design was moved but no other design from another stamp was visible.

I did not really start looking for any shifts on this issue before I saw this one, so as of now (over a period of one year), I have seen only one other example, and that was more shifted than mine (second pic), showing part of a second stamp.

This one sold on ebay for $14 I think. This may have been because some of these Year of the Pig stamps have a major error called missing gold (missing a colour) that sells for $35 - $50 I think. Perhaps since a lot of people had that 'error' they would want a copy of another 'error' on the same stamp?

It does all depend on the visibility and desirability and the rarity of that error.



edit: added extra photo:
Normal and Missing Gold so you can see the visibility of different printing oddities:

Hi All

Please forgive me if I do not agree 100% here.

To me, the Austrian stamp scanned in not a good perforation shift but just a stamp that is off-centre.

I guess I got spoiled from the examples I have sene from the EFO Club I used to belong to

If the bottom of "Osterreich" was hardly visible and part of the top of the same name could be seen from the bottom of the stamp, I would say it was a good shift. Am I missing something here?

MY opinion of course <G>

Bujutsu

I have read that if there is no significant portion (10% I once read) of a second stamp present, it is poorly centered rather than a perf or die cut shift. I do not recall that what I read was of a professional opinion or not.

Marty

Hi !

It's very fun to have a lot of reply but all opinion are different ! :P

I just want to know if it have a value or if someone collect this kind of stamps.

I see that with your opinion it's between 0-15$ very large range of price.

I'm always happy to receive any comments.

THanks !

I think it healthy if you raise debate on a topic,
that's a fundamental benefit of open forum, sometimes
just posting a commentary on a stamp, can generate another
opinion and we all learn from it.

Here I see it (generally) as the perforation is subsequent to the printing,and therefore perforator has to conform to the sheet.

That may well be true for a traditional line driven
perforator, but I can see perhaps a die-cut knive, having a set
position to puncture a rolling sheet, then either the print
has become offset on the rolling sheet, or the rolling sheet has
become mis-aligned on the roller.
Both instances could produce the example.
I still don't think it could be referred to as a "print shift" in the traditional sense.

Hi Marty and All

I think Marty is correct on that "10%" suggestion. I think I have read that as well.

Glad to see that everyone took my comments in stride and that I am not scheduled for the philatelic firing squad

Every day that I come in here, I see things that are always interesting.

A great forum

Cheers

Bujutsu

Even with all of the 10% etc suggestions on how to organize a stamp, whether in or out of a 'true' collecting interest, I think any stamp can be collectible to a fan of that particular oddity or even that stamp.

I thick it would sell on ebay. Perhaps not for a lot of money ($1 or the value of that particular stamp anyway), sometimes it depends on who is watching and wanting to bid at that time (it seems sometimes). The sale on ebay would also depend on how you described the item. To attract the collector interested in such things I am afraid that you would have to use the term misperf (or French of course) and possibly 'error' or 'oddity' or 'freak' or EFO. Other wise you take the chance of a person missing it in the madding crowd on ebay.

In this case the shift or mis-centering is this stamp's strength and it is correct to point out an item's strengths (and also state weaknesses or flaws of course).

If this stamp or the others of it's series (?) had consistently bad centering you would perhaps not point out that it was badly centered or misperfed but just sell it as one of the same series. However, if hardly no other stamps of that series of stamps had bad centering then it would indeed be a good thing to point out the discrepancy, for those that are interested in such things.

So, after a long discussion, the answer to the original question is, yes it is valuable but only to a collector of shifts and badly centered stamps.

To see a market value is very difficult. You would have to look on ebay or DelCampe for a long time and search for this kind of thing (learning along the way the words used in Austrian, German, French, English, etc for misperf or EFO, etc) and see what similar stamps sold or etc.

Boring and not many would want to do that. Sometimes there are EFO catalogues for such oddities that would give you a rough price, but then, it is then the problem to find the collector that would want to pay that stated price also.

As Rod says, differing opinions are always appreciated as we are all always learning.

Hi !

For the interrested, I sold the stamp on ebay for 1$.

Thanks !

As a curiosity, having never used ebay,
any idea of what you would nett from the exchange
given that your efforts were assumed free of charge?

Hi !

THe fee for a item at 1.00$ is about 0.25$ it's sure that it's just for fun at this price, you must sell a lot of item to make a week lol

All seller charge a little bite more that the reality with the postage to cover a part of the fee. I can tell that I receive 1$ net for this transaction.

Some "surprise" item like them can be sold at better price.

If you come from Canada you probably remember the favous " write me, ring me" cards ? ( or something like that) I see this set of card at post office and I tell... what a bull stuff of Canada Post again, when I come back at home and I see that this set sold for over 200$ US ( with a exchange rate over 30% ) I make the turn of all the post office in the region to buy them lol I resell them beetween 50 to more that 100$ each set.

I recently find a another thing but I don't tell what is it because I sell again lol

You can have fu on ebay with a little bite of imagination !

Have fun ! :)