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Posted 08/31/2022   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some tips...
1. When searching for 'sold' prices, always sort it by 'lowest first'. As others have mentioned, these are all bogus listings.
2. The VAST majority of stamps are as common as rocks, literally billions were printed. And just as would not expect to go into your back yard and find a high value rock or mineral, you should not expect to find many higher value stamps.
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Posted 08/31/2022   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm rich, I'm rich, I'm rich!!!


Just kidding, The manilla stock page is worth about as much as the stamps on it. Similarly, the original poster's stamps are not worth the cost of a new stamp to mail them to any buyer, despite a few "sold" records which are likely money laundering and not anything close to a true reflection of market value.

Foster, if you had 50 posts, I could offer you this page at $10 postpaid and I'd be (rightfully) accused of cheating you. The offer is good to anyone else, and I will be surprised if I have any suckers takers.
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Posted 08/31/2022   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So I'm going now through the "junk" pile of Manila sheets.

This was all you needed to know about the value of these stamps.
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Posted 08/31/2022   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Rod yes I got them from the SOLD option!


Yikes! and Wow!
Was that Etsy? or ebay?
I don't see how that occurs, if it is laundering
does not the seller have to pay on the $800 sale price?

The world is full of scams. We have lost the plot.
I come from a world where we could once leave the back door open all day.

I no longer answer the phone unless a number I know, or voicemail.

I bought a trinket from an TV ad (Cannister labels)
and have been getting a phone call every day for 3 months
they ring and then hang up when it goes to mail.
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Posted 08/31/2022   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mainer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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We have lost the plot


Boy, that's for sure. But now I've found a new plot -- I'm intrigued by this suggestion of money laundering. Are people saying that someone is putting high prices on worthless stuff and then someone else (a partner) who's trying to "launder" money is paying those prices?
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Posted 08/31/2022   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not money laundering. As far as I know, there has not been a case where someone used stamp sales to 'launder' money. Laundering money typically is done in businesses with high use of cash which has little or no traceability (i.e any business with a lot of cash tips like restaurants, bars, or hairdressers) or you can write down a lot of 'loses' (like food spoiling).

There have been cases where people cook the books with fakes sales for various reasons including the 'British Cartel' (search this forum). In other cases, they will try to build up ebay accounts and feedbacks with fake sales.
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Posted 08/31/2022   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Never look at asking prices. Look at sold prices. Anyone can ask for anything they want. You only want to be concerned with what's actually being sold and then, only trends, not single examples. There is plenty of (suspected) money laundering going on over on ebay.
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Posted 08/31/2022   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone explain to us how money laundering would work on ebay.

Say you have $750,000 in cash that you got selling illegal drugs and want to launder it. How do you run it through ebay so that it does not attract attention and makes the cash look legitimate?
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Someone explain to us how money laundering would work on ebay.

Say you have $750,000 in cash that you got selling illegal drugs and want to launder it. How do you run it through ebay so that it does not attract attention and makes the cash look legitimate?
Don


Highly unlikely, as you know. $600 in annual sales automatically triggers an IRS form (1099-K) and tax scrutiny, at least in the United States. Not a good money laundering scenario. It is not a cash platform, so there are obvious paper trails.

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Posted 08/31/2022   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You would also have to have a huge number of ebay accounts (hundreds) so you could sell to yourself.
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Posted 08/31/2022   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Don and johnsim03, it is highly unlikely that these sales can be used to launder money. The number of accounts, value and number of transactions required would seem to invalidate this kind of cleaning. There is also an insurmountable problem with laundering any money through ebay, that is how is the money successfully cleaned to enter the financial system to complete the transaction?
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Posted 08/31/2022   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add FostersFinest to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well if it's not money laundering, then why would these accounts that seem to be shills of some kind be getting hundreds of dollars for worthless stamps? I actually saw one that went for over 5k

The examples I put up were all from ebay
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The stamps never really sold. The transactions were never "completed." The stamps were relisted.

Yes it is fun once in a while to have a second account and show a stamp being sold for $5k to get the greed juices flowing.

Look closer at the transaction not the dollars. Most have zero (0) sales

Adroit

I have learned that scammers are light years ahead in their ability and reasons for fraud. Control what you can. Try to get the phony prices out of your head. Enjoy the stamps.
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It can be a way of paying for illicit goods. I pay $100 for that ping pong ball washer, and you deliver me some pills. You have legit taxable cash and I am comatose or whatever else.
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And then there is this beautiful story:


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A grand jury indicted ebay seller Roni Rubinov on charges of running a fencing enterprise with the help of 40 partners, employees, and associates who were also indicted in New York on Thursday.

The ebay seller owned a pawn shop in Manhattan which was used to launder money from the sale of stolen goods, according to the indictment, using the defendant's ebay, PayPal, and Bank of America accounts. Note that defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Law enforcement said it seized over $3.8 million worth of stolen retail items, over 550 stolen gift and cash cards, and over $300,000 in cash. New York Mayor Eric Adams said, "This wasn't just shoplifting, but people going into stores and clearing off shelves as part of an organized crime ring."

Numerous agencies participated in the 3-year investigation, with Homeland Security alleging the enterprise operated as a "shadow" ecommerce business, using boosters to procure stolen merchandise which they then sold on an ebay store Treasure-Deals-USA.

"Since 2017, the Treasure Steals USA Operation has sold more than $1,373,728 of stolen property via Rubinov's ebay store," according to a press release on the New York Attorney General's Office website.

What may be interesting for online sellers is the indictment's following allegations of the flow of money and cost of inventory:

Between August 8, 2017 and January 7, 2020, the sales of stolen goods on the Treasure-Deals-USA ebay Store generated approximately $1,373,728 in gross proceeds;
The store generated approximately $1,098,025 in net proceeds;
Approximately $154,001 was redirected back to ebay and PayPal to pay ebay and PayPal reinvestment fees.
(If the store generated $1,373,728 over the course of 30 months, that would be an average gross sales figure of $45,790/month.)

The NY Attorney General alleged the defendants purchased stolen clothing items for six-to-eight percent of their retail value and purchased stolen pharmaceutical items and cosmetics at the rate of one-to-two dollars per item, depending on the brand.

Beginning on page 21 of the indictment is a description of overt acts including examples of what defendants allegedly paid for a selection of stolen goods. For example, a defendant allegedly paid $190 cash in exchange for assorted stolen Brooks Brothers clothing having a retail value of $2,800. In another example, a booster received $130 cash for an allegedly stolen white Fender guitar with a retail value of $1,549.97.

The indictment described other goods including a Rolex watch, Gap jeans, Gucci sunglasses, a Fendi dress, Louis Vuitton purses, leather jackets, cosmetics, boxed and roll-on perfumes, boxed chocolates, watches, and assorted costume jewelry, and stolen drug store items.

The ebay seller stored the inventory at his residence and at a "stash house" where employees inventoried and organized the items by product type and listed them on ebay, according to the indictment. When sold, items were brought back to the defendant's business address in Manhattan to be packaged and shipped to ebay buyers.

The indictment also charges defendants with purchasing stolen cards from boosters, swiping the gift cards through the Pawn Shop merchant account terminal, and creating fraudulent receipts for the purchase of the stolen gift cards.

The indictment alleges, for example, that on May 13, 2019, one defendant "bought one stolen Vanilla Visa card with a value of $300 in exchange for $150 cash, and issued a receipt stating, in sum and substance, "$300 in silver bars.""

Like many ebay sellers, this one was looking to expand to Amazon and Shopify, according to the indictment.

The defendants are being charged with various counts of enterprise corruption, money laundering, criminal possession of stolen property, scheme to defraud and conspiracy. The case is being prosecuted by the Attorney General's Statewide Organized Crime Task Force ("OCTF").


https://www.ecommercebytes.com/2022...-crime-ring/
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