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Posted 08/31/2022   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And it all started with a 1’ George Washington.
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Posted 08/31/2022   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 09/01/2022   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I establish a company that trades in stamps. There are enough ways to obscure ownership.
The company buys a rare stamp for € 1 and lists it at € 1,000.
I buy the stamp at € 1,000.
The company pays tax over its € 998 profit (€ 1 in costs).
€ 748 is now legitimate cash.
You, even, can set it up so the proceeds of the sale are received before the purchase has to be paid.

This is why the EU has implemented anti money-laundering laws and certain transactions must be reported or companies must establish that the customer is not trying to launder money.
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Posted 09/01/2022   01:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK,

Your hypothesis makes perfect sense on how to launder money but has one major flaw. That is, it requires an outside party (buyer) to pay with clean money which is already in the banking system to permit paying by paypal. credit card or bank account.

Where your example works is extensively used by most major US corporations to avoid paying US taxes. The IRS is always trying to combat this movement of profits to the corporation's offshore subsidiaries but with only minor success. This is why most corporations who have overseas subsidiaries pay little to no US taxes.

The US also has very strict money laundering laws. They mirror very closely to those issued by Europe.
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Posted 09/01/2022   01:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I paid maybe $40 for a worthless stamp because it was the easiest way to pay an ebay seller after a comedy of errors ended up with the seller coming up short. I forget the exact situation, but it involved a mistaken refund, extra items being sent, or some other odd combination of events.
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Posted 09/01/2022   03:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Chesham


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That is, it requires an outside party (buyer) to pay with clean money which is already in the banking system to permit paying by paypal. credit card or bank account.


It is getting more difficult. That is why the money-laundering laws are being implemented.
One or two decades ago, it was quite simple for criminals to set up such constructions with the help of bend lawyers.
For smaller amounts there, still, are very few requirements to establish the provenance of the money.

If I pay € 600 for one of these stamps, no one is going to ask me where my € 600 came from.
As long as I cannot be identified as party related to the seller, the seller launders the money.
Banks, now, must check the identity of account holders. But even in the EU, not all countries are keeping to that. There still remain ways, as long as you do not use a single account too often or transfer very large sums.

For the bigger transactions that occurred in the real estate business, legislation made it difficult because the transactions may be flagged by the bank. Still, as a private home owner, I do not have to check whether Mr. Putin or Mr. Little-Man is buying my house. My bank, however, might have a problem if they allowed a payment into my account from a Mr. Putin, Kreml, Moscow from a Sberbank Moscow account.
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Posted 09/01/2022   04:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone here seems to have lost complete sight of the original poster's question and gone down a rabbit hole of a lot of speculation and not too many facts.

Bottom line to ask the original poster: Do you believe your stamps have a very low value or a very high value now? In other words, what is your conclusion, having read the various replies to your post?
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Posted 09/01/2022   04:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OP is the one who first asked whether it was money laundering.
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Posted 09/01/2022   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
AND it turned into a very interesting thread!
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Posted 09/01/2022   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pbmorris to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It must be the precanel Scott 804 that is valuable.

Only 25 billion were printed in total.
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Posted 09/01/2022   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tsmatx to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm surprised by the skepticism that those ebay sales are anything but money laundering. It has been documented for years that collectibles are used for money laundering on ebay, and the famous examples are Beanie Babies and VHS Tapes. This is just one more avenue to diversify. I think "old rare stamps" are almost the perfect vehicle because often common stamps look very similar to expensive stamps (Scott 596 anyone?) and generally impossible to identify from just photos. Very easy to convince anybody besides a philatelic expert that these are actually valuable. They can also be shipped cheaply if shipping record is needed for even more legitimacy.

The thing about ebay accounts is they are very easy and cheap to setup. You don't even need ID or proof of address or anything. These accounts (both buyer and seller--which obviously are part of the same entity) all have feedback 2 or less because they get shutdown quickly but you could have bot farms creating bulk accounts and putting up listings. You can also buy/sell ebay accounts in bulk. All these accounts are strictly turn and burn, complete 1 or 2 transactions and then poof.

Chesham85's question how to get dirty money into ebay -> one method is ebay gift cards which you can purchase anywhere for cash.

The key component I think most people are missing is the scale. This is the internet not some back alley transaction. You are thinking if you only have one account, or a few accounts. These are likely not Joe Sixpacks moving a few hundred dollars, but parts of large operations, in an semi-automated fashion. It is cheap. Even if ebay detects and shuts down almost all of your accounts and listings, you just keep putting more. The main expense is ebay seller's fees, which is why ebay doesn't seem to mind much.
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FBI Says ISIS Used ebay to Send Terror Cash to U.S.

U.S. investigators uncovered a global financial network run by a senior Islamic State official that funneled money to an alleged ISIS operative in the U.S. through fake ebay transactions, according to a recently unsealed FBI affidavit.

The alleged recipient of the funds was an American citizen in his early 30s who had been arrested more than a year ago in Maryland after a lengthy Federal Bureau of Investigation surveillance operation that found the first clues to the suspected network.

The government had alleged in a 2016 indictment that the American suspect, Mohamed Elshinawy, pledged allegiance to Islamic State and had pretended to sell computer printers on ebay as a cover to receive payments through PayPal, potentially to fund terror attacks.

The recently unsealed FBI affidavit, filed in federal court in Baltimore, alleges that Mr. Elshinawy was part of a global network stretching from Britain to Bangladesh that used similar schemes to fund Islamic State and was directed by a now-dead senior ISIS figure in Syria, Siful Sujan.

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The U.S. has said Mr. Elshinawy told investigators he was instructed to use the money for "operational purposes" in the U.S., such as a possible terror attack. He has pleaded not guilty to supporting the terror group, and currently is in federal custody awaiting trial. His lawyer declined to comment.

The case suggests how Islamic State is trying to exploit holes in the vast online financial world to finance terror outside its borders.

The U.S. and other countries for years since 9/11 have focused on the formal international banking systems that terror networks might use to transfer money to would-be terrorists.

But some alleged perpetrators inspired by Islamic State have gotten small sums through low-level fraud such as check scams, or through financial channels where regulators have been paying less attention.

Those include social-media fundraising, student-loan withdrawals and online lending fraud, according to the Financial Action Task Force, an intergovernmental body that makes counterterror recommendations.

That is making it more challenging for law enforcement to spot and stop terror attacks and terrorism recruits. A former Treasury official equated policing terror funding in the burgeoning financial marketplace to "looking for a needle in a massive haystack."

A spokesman for ebay Inc. said the company "has zero tolerance for criminal activities taking place on our marketplace" and said that they are working with law enforcement on the case.

A spokeswoman for PayPal Holdings Inc. said that it "invests significant time and resources in working to prevent terrorist activity on our platform….We proactively report suspicious activities and respond quickly to lawful requests to support law enforcement agencies in their investigations."

The affidavit indicates that several other alleged operatives of the network had been arrested in Britain and Bangladesh, making it one of the most significant suspected Islamic State financial networks yet uncovered.

The operation pulled in investigators across the U.S. intelligence empire and involved coordination with several other countries, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Some of the key players in the alleged network, also used to buy military supplies, were arrested or killed in a coordinated global sweep in December 2015, according to the FBI affidavit. Mr. Sujan was killed in a drone strike on Dec. 10, 2015, according to a person familiar with the matter. At the time, Mr. Sujan was Islamic State's director of computer operations, according to the affidavit.

The financial network, according to the FBI affidavit, operated through a British technology company founded by Mr. Sujan. His company had offices in Bangladesh, and Mr. Sujan also was setting up a branch in Turkey, according to the affidavit. It is unclear when Mr. Sujan left to join Islamic State in Syria.

The FBI affidavit was filed under seal in January in support of search warrants requested by federal prosecutors for information from U.S. technology firms on social-media and email accounts established by Mr. Elshinawy and other suspects.

The unsealing of the affidavit was brought to public attention Thursday by a researcher with George Washington University's program on extremism.

Mr. Sujan's company, which built websites and "obtained and configured printers," spent $18,000 to buy, from a Canadian company, military-grade surveillance equipment that could be used for aerial targeting, according to the affidavit. It also ordered electronic bug-sweeping equipment from a U.S. company to be sent to Turkey, the affidavit said.

Mr. Elshinawy received a total of $8,700 from individuals associated with Islamic State, according to the affidavit, including five payments through PayPal from Mr. Sujan's company.

He used the money for a laptop, a cellphone and a VPN communications network, all of which the FBI claims he used to communicate with the Islamic State network, according to the affidavit.

Mr. Elshinawy told the FBI he knew the money was meant to conduct a terrorist attack in the U.S., according the affidavit. But he said he never planned to carry out any attack. Instead, the affidavit indicated, he said he was taking the money from "thieves."


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Cyberlaundering: from ghost Uber rides to gibberish on Amazon

"We all have a stake in stopping cybercrime, which also enables so many other crimes, from human trafficking and migrant smuggling to trafficking in drugs, illicit firearms and wildlife, and money laundering," , the director general at the United Nation's Office on Drugs and Crime, this week.

States are meeting at the UNODC in Vienna to discuss criminal justice responses to prevent and counter cybercrime, which uses new technologies to generate some $1.5tn in revenue per year, with a rapidly increasing amount laundered via equally cutting-edge digital methods that often avoid detection.

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From £2,000 fake ebooks on Amazon and phony listings on Airbnb to ghost journeys on Uber and in-game currencies on video games, the cyberlaunderer's black market has come a long way from Walter White's car wash.

Today's cybercriminals operate in another orbit to yesterday's crooks thanks to these new and unlikely ways to wash dirty money. And because traditional methods of tracking money laundering rely heavily on the policing of bank transactions, they're leaving authorities for dust.

"Keeping track of the ingenious ways in which cybercriminals are utilising digitally enabled means of laundering is one of the major policing challenges of the moment," says Dr Michael McGuire, a professor of criminology at the University of Surrey and author of a new study on cybercrime.

Around $200bn, 10% of the estimated $2tn laundered annually, is cyberlaundered today. By 2020 the proportion laundered digitally v traditional cash methods is expected to double, as economies become increasingly cashless.

"Confronted with a quickly evolving landscape of digital laundering techniques and increasingly affluent cybercriminal groups, under-funded and under-resourced policing agencies are finding it hard to match [them]," says McGuire.

The rapid expansion of fintech, e-commerce and mobile app services has made doing business and transferring money faster and more seamless than ever before. But it has also opened the floodgates to cyberlaunderers who are now finding ways to co-opt legitimate sites and platforms for their own means.

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Accordingly, transaction laundering has become a huge financial blindspot for authorities.

"The spike in digital financial crime accompanying the frictionless payments systems these technologies promote suggests criminals may be innovating as quickly, if not quicker," , editor of the Financial Times' Alphaville blog, in March 2017. "For now at least, more fintech equals more 'crimtech'".

Products listed at astronomically high prices on ebay appear to be real transactions when sold but are in fact methods to launder and secretly send cash. This simple, popular ruse has been used by Islamic State to funnel cash to operatives in the Middle East, .

Similar fake transactions are found elsewhere. Books of gibberish are for thousands of dollars and are believed to facilitate money laundering.

Titles such as I Have Abundance Overflowing In My Life Forever: Brinks Trucks Follow Me Everrywhere I Go Eternally (Whatever You Ask Believe Receive) are advertised for around $2,000.

One author, who was contacted by US tax authorities, claims fraudulent sales of his obscure books were used to send almost $24,000.

Much the same thing happens through "ghost journeys" on Uber, from money laundering clients at pre-established rates. There are even how to do this.

On Airbnb, properties are apparently let out without anyone actually staying in them. It has been reported that fraudsters use stolen credit cards to launder their dirty money in cahoots with obliging Airbnb hosts who then send back a percentage of the sum.

Elsewhere, Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, allegedly used laundered money from an offshore account in Cyprus to buy a $2.85m Manhattan apartment that he made thousands renting through Airbnb, despite it being against the terms of the lease.

Video games including Fifa and Counter Strike sell in-game items that allow users to more quickly progress through the game.

These items are resold for thousands on gaming marketplaces where laundering reportedly occurs, while it is also possible to send convertible virtual money to associates abroad.

"Cyberlaundering is on an upward trajectory. It's rising with the everyday use of the internet," says Michael Perklin, a digital forensic investigator responsible for catching cyberlaunderers.

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Payments for items on ebay are often made via PayPal, which was previously the de rigeur tool for cyberlaundering before the rise of cryptocurrencies such as ZCash and Monero that offer near-total anonymity, but remains popular with criminals.

"Microlaundering is the most obvious way to circumvent PayPal's payment limits," says Dr McGuire. "You just run thousands of payments through various accounts. It's almost impossible to detect."

PayPal processed $49bn in the first quarter of 2018 alone and was investigating the effectiveness of its anti-money laundering programme.

The world is shifting away from traditional banking systems, thanks to the rapid growth of alternative payment options such as Alipay, WeChat Pay, Circle Pay and M-Pesa, which is now Africa's leading digital money platform. As these mobile payment systems have grown in popularity, so too have they become an integral tool within the developing cybercrime economy.

The US Department of State recently warned that m-payment systems, which accounted for over $700bn transactions globally in 2017, are highly vulnerable to money laundering.

"Financial regulators have their heads in their hands over this kind of thing," McGuire continues. "It's almost like how the postal system is used as part of the cybercrime economy, you simply cannot examine every single packet or, indeed, a transaction of less than £1,000."

"Either it will just have to be accepted as a fact of the day, or if there's a real keenness to control it there's going to have to be a mindset change on how small payments are handled and tackled."


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Posted 09/01/2022   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add waddsbadds to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had a bit of a laugh (at myself) over how I misinterpreted one of the ads FostersFinest posted over on the first page of this thread. About half way down the page is Foster's picture showing various iterations of the 1954 1 cent Washington stamp, and I read on the middle picture that the stamp which was on offer at a bargain $800 had "Gum Facing Right." My instant thought was that this must be a new area for flyspecking and that this stamp had some sort of rare variant in which the gum showed a definite rightward tendency in its "grain" or whatever. And after a few seconds of pondering this possibility I realized that it was two run on statements which probably should have had a comma in between, i.e. Original Gum, Facing Right (as if facing right was an important part of the stamp's description). Then there's that price, why in the world would a single copy be worth (and actually have a bid) $800, when immediately below it is an entire sheet of the very same stamp for a mere $4.80?
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Posted 09/02/2022   04:58 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The thing about ebay accounts is they are very easy and cheap to setup. You don't even need ID or proof of address or anything. These accounts (both buyer and seller--which obviously are part of the same entity) all have feedback 2 or less because they get shutdown quickly but you could have bot farms creating bulk accounts and putting up listings. You can also buy/sell ebay accounts in bulk. All these accounts are strictly turn and burn, complete 1 or 2 transactions and then poof.


Not true any more, IMHO. At least for sellers. ebay US has gone 100% to managed payments, which require a verified valid bank account, and validated identity. It has been like that for quite some time. Every transaction leaves an extensive paper trail. Until a seller complies with this, well, they are not getting any money, whatsoever, paid out to them.

Perhaps I am missing something?!

Tell me how the bots are going to set up verified valid bank accounts in order to receive payments, and you will make a believer out of me...

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