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Posted 10/15/2022   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlsny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am considering sending this stamp in for certification. The green railroad cancel, if legit, is valuable. But I'm thinking it needs evidence. My concern is that it is a rather specialized thing and I'm thinking a PF or PSE might not want to issue an opinion on it.

So I'm interested in your advice. 1) is it worth sending in? - is there anything about it that already disqualifies it? 2) any recommendation on who would be best placed to make a determination on a cert?

(I should mention that the top is reperforated )

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Posted 10/15/2022   6:44 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't recall ever seeing a cancel that green (the ones I have seen are darker or more of a bluish green)
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Posted 10/15/2022   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brightest green I have seen on 19th century material and the lettering is rather crude. Railroad cancels are well documented.


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Edit: If genuine, the reperfing will matter little with such an outstanding green cancel.

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Posted 10/15/2022   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The expert groups would be able to certify this. That said, since it is reperfed, I would say it's not worth using them to certify it. William Crowe (wtcrowe on SCF) might be a better and less expensive choice.

The first step is for one of the members here to help identify the railroad cancel and see if it is known in green.

I think it is rather unusual that the CDS and cork cancel would overlap so much (as if cancelled twice and from different offices), but it could happen.
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Posted 10/15/2022   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Took a look at Allen, Skinner-Eno, and Cole literature as well as Siegel, PF and PSE records and could not find a similar cancel. Allen does say that
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RAILROAD MARKINGS, so-called, are not ordinarily seen in association with Black Jacks.
although his collection contained three RR cancellation covers.
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Posted 10/15/2022   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks rog for all that investigation. I've also received one private note stating a belief that it is a fake. It may be worth sending in still on the very slim chance - but my instinct is that it would come back either negative or indeterminate. So until something more substantial comes up I think this goes in the back burner.
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Posted 10/16/2022   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richard Frajola to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I sent two emails to Richard last evening that said, in part:

"your green cancel is fake. Whenever you see two cancels on a stamp, and one of them is not a foreign transit cancel, the probability is 99.5% that one of the cancels is fake."

and, after a his response comment about one cancel on top of another: "The black is the original genuine cancel the green is fake. Further, it is 100% impossible to tell what cancel is on top of another. It is always an optical illusion based on colors involved, etc. Sorry, the green cancel is a fake."

The is a reason for my post here is this - a cover only enters the US mail system once originally and if it is taken out and re-mailed, it is either postage due or another stamp is one it that gets cancelled. In this period, you do not get two cancels on the same stamp unless the second one is a (foreign) transit cancel.
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