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Red Penny Can't Figure Out The Numbers

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Posted 11/01/2022   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 11/01/2022   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sc#79 1880 A36 1d Venetian Red
Check for Watermark Sc#30 (Wmk#29 is an error [Orb] )
Letters in the corners (i) and i
(Read the bottom letters)
This stamp is from Row (i) , Column i

Postmark GUILDFORD 325 Duplex
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Edited by rod222 - 11/01/2022 10:33 pm
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Posted 11/01/2022   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you rod222 for replying,
Is the 3rd red I found :)
Also, if you are kind I found a water mark stamp but I Google it and couldn't find much about it.
Can you have a look please?
Appreciate your effort.
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Posted 11/01/2022   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, the last penny dosent have number plate on it....???
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Posted 11/01/2022   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Also, if you are kind I found a water mark stamp but I Google it and couldn't find much about it.
Can you have a look please?


I am not sure of what you want here Dodo335
What did the watermark look like?

These stamps (1880) do not have plate numbers on the stamp
They may have had them in the selvedge, but I am not a specialist.

Try reading "Big Blue" for a decent coverage of the British earlies....
http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...40-1900.html


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Edited by rod222 - 11/01/2022 11:06 pm
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Posted 11/01/2022   11:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aha! That is a British "Meter Stamp"

Private companies had tiny machines that applied postage to envelopes
whilst recording decreasing postage currency, held by the machine.
This is probably "Pitney Bowes" or "Neopost"

The number 226 on your example, would identify the company? or the town ? that rented / held the licence for the machine.


See this Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter_stamp

See here
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Inter...reat_Britain

just a cursory look

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Edited by rod222 - 11/02/2022 12:08 am
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Rarest Meter Stamp:
1946 Christmas with the slogan "A Happy New Year, and a new Government Soon"

Approx 1000 envelopes were mailed in 5 days, few would have survived.
(prior to being banned)
The meter die, was purchased by H R Harmer.

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Posted 11/02/2022   02:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you rod222.
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Posted 11/02/2022   04:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp is not what is known as a 'Penny Red,' but the one penny stamp from the provisional stamps issued in 1880. This stamp does not have a plate number in its design.

Perkins Bacon had printed the values up to 2d from the first stamp issue. They printed stamps such as the 'Penny Black,' the 'Tuppence Blue,' the small halfpenny 'Bantam' and the 'Penny Red' in all its appearances. This was done using line-engraving, i.e., the printed image was cut out of the plate. They lost the contract to De La Rue that printed stamps like this one using the method of surface printing, i.e., the printed area was printed from the part of the plate that was not cut away.

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Also this stamp, its show the number 1 1/2 pence but down written is three and half pence :)
I Google it but dosent look llike a printing Error...
Thanks again.
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Posted 11/02/2022   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It does not say three and a half pence (3˝d), it says three halfpence, that is three times a halfpenny: 3 x ˝d = 1˝d.
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Edited by NSK - 11/02/2022 2:50 pm
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Posted 11/02/2022   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Got it NSK, thanks Lol
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Posted 11/02/2022   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As for your earlier 1 penny. Rod222 remarked something about a watermark Orb. The watermark should show an Imperial Crown. It exists inverted, i.e., the crown shows upside-down.
There was a report in 1968 that it had been seen with a watermark showing the sovereign's Orb used for fiscal stamps. It has never been confirmed it exists.
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Posted 11/04/2022   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dodo335 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will have a look NSK, thanks.
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