Please Help-10 PF. 1905, Germany Stamp .

Please help determine from wath MI 86 type is this10 pf ,Germany ,1905, stamp.

When you ask for type.

What do you mean?

Type I or II Peace or wartime printing

or Color type?

Please be aware that an answer based on a picture is difficult.

Assuming it has a watermark:

It is a 86I, the 86II was issued in 1915.

The date stamp ends in ??.10.13, being October 1913. So, the stamp was printed before that time.

Plese excuse me for not been more specific. I ment the color of the stamp. The cancel is from the Peace period as was pointed from NSK so it has to be Mi 86 I and it's on a Wmk 1 paper too. The catalog attributes the subtypes a,b,c,d. Could it be determined from which of those subtypes is the stamp if it's possible to do tath only from the photo ?

It's virtually impossible to ID the color of these from a photo.

Renewing this topic by posting some new images of the stamp and hope that they can help to find out whath is the exact color shade.




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As stated earlier, you can't do color shades from a scan of an individual stamp. You have to compare with know copies of various shades and work from there.

I didn't think of it ,I will follow your advice and try to find the matching color shade by comparing it other stamps.

I found this one at a Internet search, it looks like the color shade is the same,but I can't confirm if the description is right.

1875 HKD is $240 US. I will sell you as many "deep red carmin" (whatever that means) stamps as you want for only $24 US each. A 90% savings! I have thousands, literally.
Only buy a rare color if it comes with a BPP Attest. Even then, be aware that Michel delists color varieties periodically.

I am highly suspicious of this being a 1903 cancellation. In my opinion, it may be 1908.

If it is 1903, your OP refers to a 1905 stamp - that appears to have been used in 1913 - that would not have been issued in 1903. You identify yours as the watermarked stamp. If the seller is correct in dating the stamp, that must be an unwatermarked one. This raises the question what colour the seller is identifying?

And there is no way that you can identify a colour that looks the same from two different pictures. And you certainly cannot when the sources of the pictures are different.

That been identified as stamp of the rare color shade by the seller doesn't necessary means that he is right.
He may have overlooked some details that could indicate the right,10 Pfennig type. The observation made by NSK makes sense, because the number in the date is not very clear, it could be interpreted as 1903 or 1908 . It is very difficult to say.
I admit that I didn't ,found the right example in my Internet search that haves a document of authenticity, which could be used to compare it the one I posted earlier.
I agree that when, one is trying to determine a price of stamp without consulting with experts is not a good idea. If I remember correctly there was a very similar discussion concerning a Germany, 10 pf .stamp in the archives of a nother website .
I will try to search for it , there was some interesting information on the same subject.

@post_pe,

Please, keep in mind that, if you find an image of a certified example on the web, you cannot use that image to compare it with your example. There is a good chance that, if it matches the colour of your stamp, you have proven your stamp is not that colour. The colour you see on the web is almost certainly not the colour you will see when you have it in your hands.

Looking for an example online to check its colour is a futile exercise.
You can only compare to a certified stamp you hold next to your example.
Even if you have one stamp in one room of your house and another in a second room, the colours are difficult to compare.

This is a quote from the original post -

"Germania Peacetime Issue 1905-1913
The Empire at the beginning of 1905 began using security paper watermarked with lozenges.
In German this is Rauten and it is a district watermark (WM from now on).
The Germania postage stamps printed between 1905 and 1913 are referred to as the "Peacetime Printings".
In the Pfennig denominations of the Peacetime Printings, to 1913, the lines behind Germania's head are clear and separated. The details in the armor, hair, crown and the branch she is holding, are all clear and distinct. The breastplate has almost a "shiny" appearance.
The later, cruder printings, are referred to as War paintings (1915 September to 1919). I will deal with these later.

Note
Most cancelled values have a low CV indicating common stamps. Exceptions are 86 I 10Pf c and d, 89 I y and 92 b.

2. Shades become important in scarcity of some of the stamps.

3. Generally the NHM and HM have high CVs."

Those are also images from the original post.


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