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Posted 02/05/2023   6:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add backroads to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A nice looking cancel but who was late for what? Is this a Revenue Cancel? I have seen the term used before but until I saw this cancellation, I had never really thought about what exactly was being paid for here.




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Posted 02/05/2023   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely postal. There are are few threads here with more information. Here is one:
https://goscf.com/t/45019
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Australia
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Posted 02/05/2023   7:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting !
Never seen an Octagonal "Late Fee" before.

We know of 51 Late fee markings,
35 are rectangular or circular dated cancellations
13 from Sydney
12 from melbourne
5 from Brisbane
4 from Adelaide
and 1 from Launceston (Tasmania)

Bib: Australian Stamp Monthly August 1963 ....L.J.Tyler



I think we can rule out NSW .



NSW
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Posted 02/05/2023   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have an image of one on a 6d 'roo, but it must predate my naming convention that includes the site I snaffled it from.
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Australia
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Posted 02/05/2023   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
May we see it please?
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Posted 02/05/2023   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sure. If anyone recognizes the source, I'll add it to my file name.



Note that there is something going on to the right of the octagonal cancel...a CDS, perhaps?

More digging is necessary at some point when I have more time.
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Posted 02/05/2023   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Note that there is something going on to the right of the octagonal cancel...a CDS, perhaps?


Indeed, looks like it.
Thanks for posting.
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Posted 02/05/2023   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Sure. If anyone recognizes the source, I'll add it to my file name.


From that "Other" stamp board, author "The Sherriff"

The dated CDS is "teasing" us Pmk ??STO???
(There are 371 Postmarks in Australia including the text string STO)


https://www.philas.com.au/auction-l...d_38445BF8BB
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Posted 02/05/2023   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Striking piece.
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Posted 02/05/2023   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Solved
Reasoning: STO next character had to have a curve at top ... so maybe a "C"

Arc of name had to be LARGE to fit the CDS

The hammer had to be used FREQUENTLY, (manufacture of a DUPLEX LATE FEE hammer....Unusual)

So "STOC" there are 29 Pmks in Oz , and one stood out !

STOCK EXCHANGE

.............and there it was VICTORIA (Hipstamp)


https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/au...sed/34532013

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Posted 02/05/2023   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add backroads to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting all around. Paying extra to make the boat (train, bus, plane, ) when you were late for a regular mail pickup was something that had not occurred to me. Looking at the 6p and 1p posted seems to show that this octagonal Mark is paired to a circular date cancel as the semi-circle showing is in exactly the same place in relation to the octagon. A duplex cancelling device of some sort?
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Malta
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Posted 02/06/2023   08:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Halfpenny Yellow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is this a Revenue Cancel?

As far as I know, unlike many other British Commonwealth countries, Australian postage stamps were never valid for revenue purposes.

Throughout most of the 20th century each individual Australian state and territory issued its own revenue stamps.
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Canada
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Posted 04/29/2023   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agondocz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

A "Late Fee" cover:



The 2d Kangaroo paid the 1d domestic rate plus the 1d late fee rate.

The cover appears to have been postmarked on 14 JA 15 from Stock Exchange, Victoria to Brisbane, Queensland.

Best wishes,
Andrew
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Australia
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Posted 04/29/2023   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cover ! Andrew
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Canada
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Posted 05/04/2023   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agondocz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two more examples of Late Fee cancellations:




The "Late Fee" markings were applied to covers that were postmarked after regular post office hours. Perhaps.

Both covers were postmarked in Sydney: the first at 6:00PM / 21 APR / 1936, the second at 6:30PM / 19 MAY / 1942.

Best wishes,
Andrew
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Australia
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Posted 05/04/2023   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The "Late Fee" markings were applied to covers that were postmarked after regular post office hours. Perhaps


Agree
The "Late Fee" you paid for mail lodged after business hours, ie late lodgement penalty, that ensured you could walk up to GPO 6pm Friday afternoon, and your mail would be processed to USA, Europe / Interstate, that night and not wait until Monday.
Letters making the Ship for overseas, or in country areas, the mail train.

Bib : "Admin" Google
Exists : Boxed "Too Late"
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Bib: The Philatelic Database (Author undisclosed)

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