Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

PSE Certs With Questionable Details

Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 45 / Views: 2,310Next Topic
Page: of 3
Pillar Of The Community
United States
763 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So the question remains, is the joint line drawn in? A $350 item is pretty expensive for someone to use to practice on.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
12330 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If the PF ran it through the comparitor, they would have additional info that the rest of us do not have. The drawn in line would likely reflect the light waves differently than the original ink.
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
803 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've had very good experience with PSE. . .that said, I've gotten erroneous certs from them that they quickly fixed. I think they have process, and likely computer/database issues with stamps and other material that get very deep into the BOB. One issue I've seen is correct Scott number on US Possessions, but the description matches the Scott number of the same US stamp by Scott number. I tend to send more obscure stuff to the PF. PSE gets most of my "normal" stamps where I want a graded cert. I've also had certs "reversed" from both PF and PSE, but those are pretty rare.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
195 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essay_proof to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did a quick search of the Siegel website for 454 guideline pairs to see how the draw-in-line example compared. I have zero knowledge of these stamps or guideline pairs, but I couldn't help but notice the extreme variations in the thickness and clarity of impression of the line. I found one example where the line was even thicker than the one pictured in the PSE cert. Interesting stuff, to be sure.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12554 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have to wonder how many, if any, of the Siegel examples would have the cert(s) overturned if resubmitted.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
12554 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   3:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 313 that I purchased at auction and returned when the PSE found faults that were not noted by the PF and PSAG in older certs. The grade naturally dropped as well due to the regumming and perf work.



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
661 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I have to wonder how many, if any, of the Siegel examples would have the cert(s) overturned if resubmitted.


If you don't have a modern cert, most people don't take it seriously. The technology has changed so dramatically in just the past decade that picking up faults is easy today that would have been almost impossible a couple of decades ago.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
6430 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   5:17 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
If you don't have a modern cert, most people don't take it seriously. The technology has changed so dramatically in just the past decade that picking up faults is easy today that would have been almost impossible a couple of decades ago.


Actually, in many collecting areas an item being offered with a very old cert immediately throws up red flags. Even the vaunted PF has eras where certs are suspect.

There are exceptions to this though. For example, I actually like PSE certs for U.S. revenues from the 1980s and early 1990s where the expertizers were listed on the certs by name (a practice I wish would return). There were well-known icons of the hobby that were performing the expertization during that period, and having their names on the certs is a positive.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by revenuecollector - 02/11/2023 5:19 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
38679 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone explain how a perf tip is repaired, please?
Not come across that before.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10600 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One can add paper to a short perf and make it appear normal, at least from the front. The PF would use the VSC6000 to look at the line. It can enlarge a stamp to the point that paper fibers are visible, with no distortion.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
38679 Posts
Posted 02/11/2023   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing, the depths the forgers go.
I looked at the Expertisers site of PF

Never heard of some of the things, like "collodian stains"
Collodian for joining separated perfs from blocks.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by rod222 - 02/11/2023 11:43 pm
Valued Member
146 Posts
Posted 02/12/2023   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add caspian65 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Here is a 313 that I purchased at auction and returned when the PSE found faults that were not noted by the PF and PSAG in older certs. The grade naturally dropped as well due to the regumming and perf work.


Would a 313 have the typical perf indents on the gum as the lower denomination issues and also seen on other series stamps from the time period?

Seems that would be tough to fake.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
United States
10600 Posts
Posted 02/12/2023   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Would a 313 have the typical perf indents on the gum as the lower denomination issues and also seen on other series stamps from the time period?

Seems that would be tough to fake.


They would be, but those indents do not occur on every example; there are certainly OG stamps without them.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
195 Posts
Posted 02/13/2023   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essay_proof to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Everyone,

I took 51's advice and wrote to PSE last week about two of the items I originally posted about. This morning I received a very nice reply from Scott Murphy at PSE. He informed me that the information on the certs has been corrected, and offered explanation as to how the errors may have occurred. I got a good feeling about PSE from reading his reply, and his responsiveness to my email and prompt correction of some errors is most commendable.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
853 Posts
Posted 02/13/2023   3:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a refreshing development. Thanks for posting this follow-up, EssayProof.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 3 Previous TopicReplies: 45 / Views: 2,310Next Topic  
Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.2 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05