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Another Scotland Stampless Cover Dated 1845

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Posted 02/22/2023   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mottaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
i put this cover in a new topic because it came with the other covers I posted but the reciver of the cover is another person I need help to know the name also it catch my eyes because the adress is Royal bank of Scotland and I know the year 1845 is an important year for the banking system in England and Scotland


any hints about marks and the name will help


clearer photo for the name


also need help in reading

Thanks in advance
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi mottaz,

I'm loving your posts

The addressee is James Wright Esquire. The two circular datestamps are paid markings from Leith & Edinburgh.

The last image reads:

Leith

29 January 1845

Alex Sim (RB)

Sends letters by Mr Bonar

& Jas. Bonar to him
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 02/22/2023 10:17 pm
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
James Wright, Esquire
Royal Bank
Edinburgh

Leith
29 January 1845

Alex[ander] Sim (R[oyal] B[ank])
sends letters by W. Bonar
and Jas. [James] Bonar to him
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Presenting the GermanStamps.net Collection - Germany, Colonies, & Occupied Territories, 1872-1945
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

1845 ...stampless letter, Is that common
and why?

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Posted 02/22/2023   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks dear Bobby and I love that you love my posts and hope it contain benefits for others , I will try use the info you add to check history for the names and I will do my best to scan or add photos for all the written inside, also I still got many things from the whole world to add.
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks dear PostmasterGS
for valuable participation.

sorry dear @rod222
i didnt get your point can you explain what you mean as english is not my home language
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mottaz,
I was wondering why, 5 years after the issuance of Postage stamps,
this letter was pre paid. (Postage Stamps not used)

Wiki had the answer
I just wonder how long this pre paid stampless letters were in vogue.


Wiki

Pre-adhesive mail, also called pre-stamp mail, are letters carried in mail systems before the issuance of postage stamps. A stampless cover is another description and generally also refers to any item of mail sent before the issuance of postage stamps but it can also refer to mail sent, after the introduction of postage stamps, unpaid (as was permitted in many countries) or without the pre-payment being indicated by the affixing of a postage stamp; it could have been pre-paid in cash and marked paid.

This mail is usually a letter sheet because the use of envelopes was not popularised until after the introduction of postage stamps. Pre-adhesive mail includes court and government letters and items from the general populace before official public mail services were introduced. The mail often bears distinctive town and other marks applied worldwide.

In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland pre-adhesive mail was the norm before the Penny Black and Two pence Blue stamps were issued for use by the General Post Office on 6 May 1840, and in other countries, to mail used prior to each country's postal administration adopted adhesive labels to indicate postage had been pre-paid.

In the United States, the majority of stampless mail was sent collect. This meant that the person receiving the letter paid the postage. This type of letter was not marked Paid. Pre-payment of postage was not mandatory in the U.S.A. until 1856. This greatly impacted small town postmasters as they were compensated based on the amount of postage they collected.
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Edited by rod222 - 02/22/2023 10:32 pm
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampless covers post 1840 aren't rare Rod.

Adhesives became compulsory in 1853.
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Adhesives became compulsory in 1853.


Wow! Thanks Bobby. saved.
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Posted 02/23/2023   08:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks all of you,
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Posted 02/24/2023   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Old Marvel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After January 9th 1840, letter rate in UK was one penny per half ounce. Prepayment required, payment was in cash at post office, and marked in red manuscript on the front. Some Post Offices had handstruck numbers 1and 2 to use with red ink.

This cover has a red 2, so between half and one ounce.

If unpaid, letter gets a double rate fine marked in black, paid by addressee.

From 6 May 1840, can also prepay with a stamp (penny black etc), or a few days later use a prepaid Mulready envelope or letter sheet.
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Posted 03/01/2023   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks dear Old Marvel for your help.
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Posted 04/05/2023   10:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rick2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Latest stampless cover I have is dated 1869, sent from Rotterdam to Scheidam Holland. Not sure when compulsory adhesive stamps went into effect in Holland...
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Posted 04/08/2023   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the Netherlands, for internal mail, prepayment using adhesives became compulsory on 1 January 1871.

Jan
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Posted 04/09/2023   12:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jan
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Posted 04/09/2023   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rick2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK... Thanks Jan...!
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