Israel 1948 Imperf (Scott 9)

A number of these came in a group lot recently purchased. They appear to be imperf pairs and a few imperf singles of Scott #9, on very thin bluish ungummed paper. Scott does mention the set can be found imperf, but no details beyond that.

From what I can tell, the number in triangle (presumably plate #) and inscriptions on the 2 I've pictured here match those of perforated issues for sale online. The colour seems similar too.

My assumption is that these are likely reproductions/forgeries - but I know next to nothing about Israel stamps & don't have a Bale catalogue - so hoping someone more knowledgeable will comment. Is the set found on thin ungummed paper?

~Greg

Take a look at the attached exhibit, specifically page 73. Your examples match the proofs displayed.

https://www.collectorsclubchicago.o...r-essays.pdf

Thank you! - will review that PDF closely.

It's not easy to distinguish the forgeries from a scan. This may help, from the Israel Philatelist Feb 1957, page 63. (Genuine left, counterfeit right).

Thanks Germania - the ones I have match the genuine characteristics.

Its difficult to tell, but I do have some forgeries which I found many years ago!

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-israel/ leads you top some pictures and Yacov Tsachor who is one of the experts who certifies this material and several references

. 3m of the First Definitive Issue, 1948. Altered perforations: Yacov Tsachor, "Holy Land and Israel Fakes and Forgeries – Examples from 1860-1948", Fakes Forgeries Experts journal, No.11 (August 2008): 39-48. Yacov Tsachor, "1948 Israel's First Coins – 3 Mils Perforated 10×10 Fakes", Fakes Forgeries Experts journal, No.9 (May 2006): 138-40.
2. 5m of the First Definitive Issue, 1948. Altered perforations: Yacov Tsachor, "Holy Land and Israel Fakes and Forgeries – Examples from 1860-1948", Fakes Forgeries Experts journal, No.11 (August 2008): 39-48.
7-9. 250m, 500m, and 1,000m of the First Definitive Issue, 1948. Leon Walters, "Philately of the Holy Land", Linn's Weekly Stamp News (August 23, 1965): 20,21. S.E. Hands, "The Interim Provisional Issues of Israel", The London Philatelist, Vol. 68 (March 1959): 46-52. Forgeries and fraudulent postmarks: S.N. Shure, E. Tolkowsky, J.M. Lees, G. Ward, H.H. Hirst, "The Postal Markings of Jerusalem Under the British Administration", The S.P.A. Journal, Vol. 19 (April 1957): 352-57. Anon. Note, The Holyland Philatelist, Vol. 3 (May-June 1957): 708,09. Anon., "Comparison of Genuine and Counterfeit Israel Nos.7-9" (from Minkus Publications, Inc.), Weekly Philatelic Gossip, Vol. 64 (March 5, 1957): 13,14. M. Hesky "News Letter from Israel", Stamp Magazine (U.K.), Vol. 16 (March 1950): 347. Norman Orenstein, "Everything Isn't Kosher In Israel", Weekly Philatelic Gossip, Vol. 56 (August 15, 1953): 764,66.

Mosden1969 catalogue describes imperforate forgeries as poor printing, wrong shades, difference in size, wrong gum .Mosden goes on to describe new forgeries made in Europe [ Between1948-1969] which were printed in double rows one row having tabs and that they are much better than the original forgeries. More detail is given in this catalogue

With all due respect the focus seems to have shifted to fake imperf versions of the regularly issued stamps of which the genuine imperfs are valued in five figures. The proofs seem a more reasonable explanation for the OP's items and there is much less reason to fake those given their low catalog values. Did anyone besides the OP check out the exhibit link?

Thanks for information - I checked stampforgeries.com and the design elements look good.

I did find a listing of the high value imperforate blocks from this set (certified) and asked the seller if the imperfs should be gummed and his answer was yes. Mine show no sign of ever having gum.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/225424737878

So far then it appears what I have is some kind of proof or a later reproduction. Makes sense - highly unlikely that 16 imperf pairs of this high value sat undisturbed in a mixed WW lot for years... More research ahead & will update if I find out more.