2023 Freedom Flag Booklet Bca & Apu?

Hello,

I need help identifying these two. Can someone please help me?

I've noticed that some booklets have these plate numbers P111 & B111

What are you asking? The plate numbers are telling you what you have - they indicate the printer.
The "P" prefix is for Ashton Potter, the "B" prefix for Banknote Corporation of America


Peter

From what I have read online, the microprinted USPS is the key to ID the two printers of this issue

(Apologies for the images, they are not the most clear)

BCA printed versions in all formats have a greyish USPS Microprint vertically oriented to the right of the bottom red stripe in the US Flag :



AP printed versions in all formats have a black USPS micorprint horizontally oriented below the bottom left corner of the blue field of the US Flag :

When you don't have the more obvious plate numbers attached.

Otherwise what question do you still have? You answered yourself in your second post. If you are unsure about the micro-printing, just look at the micro-printing on the plate number pieces you referenced in your first post in this thread.

Edit: I do not know the details of counterfeited versions of this stamp, if such versions exist. If you know your booklets came from the USPS you should have no problem.

@Parcelpostguy - this wasn't my question, I was just clarifying, in case the original poster was still not sure

And for others, knowing the microprint difference will help with identification of single stamps, since there are 5 different stamps total (6 if you count the different backing papers on the BCA coils, and 16 if you count the different perforation permutations (which sides are imperforate) on the booklet stamps)

DJCMHOH, I confused your post as a second post from the OP. What can I say, all names starting with a "D" must look alike. Been a bad handful of days, pain is keeping me a bit unfocused and unthorough.

That said between the information about the printers of plate numbers and you detailed micro-printing location post, the OP has all he needs to identify the USPS issued stamps as well as perhaps IDing counterfeits.

Edited for underlined addition.

I am trying to tell the difference between the AP and the BCA on the 2012 booklet with Freedom, Liberty etc.

The 2012 booklets were not so easily identified without the appropriate plate numbers. There were 4 double-sided convertible booklets and 1 ATM booklet.
APU ... 4644c (overall tagging, plate P1111) & 4644e (solid tagging, plate P2222)
SSP ... 4648b (plate S11111,S22222)
AVR ... 4676b (plate V1111)
APU ATM pane ... 4709b (plate P1111)
I think Scott gives the easiest ID tool ... the distance between the lower left & lower right corners of the flag. APU is the shortest at 18.5mm ... then SSP at 19mm ... finally AVR at 19.25mm. But, by my eyes, I see them as 18.5, 19 & 19.5. While the differences are small, they are fairly easy to measure.
Added: The coils of this issue may be more problematical since there are quite a few counterfeit varieties. I am unaware of any booklet counterfeits ... none are listed in my 2021 Scott.

I appreciate your help but I don't have a plate number for the booklet stamps and have not
Had success with the measurements you suggested.i only have one block so comparison doesn't work

Kaylady: Do you have a really good magnifier? You would probably need 10x or 15x. Or do you have computer hardware/software that would allow you to scan the stamps & then expand the image?
If yes, then look at the field of stars in the flags. On the Avery Dennison & Ashton Potter flags, the outline of the white stars will appear tinged with red. The Sennett flags appear to only have blue in the field of stars. Scott refers to this as the presence of "colored dots" in the APU/AVR flags and "dark dots" in the SSP flags.
You can distinguish AVR flags from the APU/SSP flags by examining the microprinted USPS which appears towards the right end of the bottommost white stripe. The AVR "USPS" is much wider and appears curved in an arc ... the letters are not all at the same level. Just the opposite for the APU/SSP. But once again, this would require a good magnifier.

Some booklets or publications may have unique serial numbers or identification codes to track their production or distribution. P111 and B111 might be examples of such serial numbers.
P111 and B111 could be edition or version numbers of a booklet, indicating different releases or updates.

Lisa, both of those numbers are the so called plate numbers. They indicate the printer and the /original printings.


Peter