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Urgent: Regarding Sergio And Liane Sismondo's Books, Etc!

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Posted 09/01/2023   1:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back to the subject of S. SISMONDO'S stuff , I am talking about his books,files ,research material and all the forgeries he spend a life time to put together . What I am seeing up for auctions is boxes of forgeries both stamps and covers in glassines ........where is the infomation that goes with that ?

I read from this chat board a lot of this stuff ended up in a dumpster outside of his condo .......that is what I am crying about .......heck if I was 20 years younger I would bid on all his material but what good is it without his paperwork ?
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Posted 09/01/2023   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if he kept a database of his certs…
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Posted 09/01/2023   7:47 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what was written in the initial post:


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They said something about hiring a company to clean out the apartment, and that the dumpster is filling up fast. Sounds like books were left in her apartment too.

They said I could come get it myself, but I live across the country, in Oregon, so that will not work. I have no idea what all is being thrown away, but I can only imagine all the important books and materials that are/will be going in the trash.


Hardly proof any books were thrown away.
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Posted 09/01/2023   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We aren't talking about someone whose family didn't know what he was up to...I'm highly skeptical that anything of any importance went into a dumpster.
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Posted 09/02/2023   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not to mention his peers and other industry contacts. The man was a legend so it is doubtful that they took no immediate interest when he passed. We did.
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Posted 09/13/2023   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, the Sismondo lots did OK but not much else. The Mexico lot did not sell and Tibet was lukewarm. Not much love for his material (at least this material).
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Posted 09/13/2023   10:22 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Holy cow, there were a LOT of passed lots in this auction; looks like approximately 50% of the material in the entire auction didn't sell. Reserves must have been crazy high.
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Posted 09/14/2023   12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cherrystone does have one of the highest pass rates I have ever seen and it is consistent with an occasional exception. Based upon the material I used to take an interest in I can see why, because yes, the openings are high, sometimes very high. It kept me out of most of the competition over the years. Really wonder how they handle such a thing. It makes me think it is mostly house owned because dealing with that much consignor material to be returned would be a nightmare.
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Posted 09/14/2023   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rog would Cherrystone still be appropriate for selling my Mongolia collection?
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Posted 09/14/2023   07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Morning Randy!

IMO Cherrystone is dyslexic in that they have long runs of auctions with high pass rates and then an auction that is on fire. OR cold auctions with sections that are hot because the right bidders showed up for unusual material.

In my eye Cherrystone is now rather unique in that they tend to have extensive listings of obscure material from obscure or very niche places. Tons of truly rare, at least by quantities known, material that needs that special buyer. And often really heavy on the postal history component.

My personal story maybe helps to paint a picture. Even though they are a renown Russian area auction house having sold some of the greatest collections of Russia (Ackerman etc.) and with Paul's expertizing opinions on Russian material being universally accepted I used Raritan when it came time to sell. That decision was made even with Cherrystone offering an industry low seller commission of 10%. I made it based upon watching too many lots be passed over the years and acknowledging that I myself often took a pass on bidding.

Sorry about the long winded response that maybe rambles a bit. I hope that you find a good home for your collection and are happy with the results. I have issues with DFK but they honestly seem to get better results albeit with perhaps lower realizations. At least the stuff usually doesn't end up back home after waiting a year.
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Posted 09/14/2023   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sad to see the results of the stamp auction for Sergio Sismondo material ,if that was the bulk of his collection .

The fault lies with both ,Sergio,who should of had better organization of his material and also at fault was the poor describitions of the material { please don't describe the cheap material in the lot ,please tell me about the better stuff in your catalog write up }. Cherrystone knew from my past auction purchases that I bid and buy FAKES and FORGERIES , so I was waiting for a "heads -up" postcard from them ,it never came ..

TO NEW READERS AND COLLECTORS ----- This is a fine example of a person who has material and spend a life time to get it ,but it ends up being sold like a mixture box or a junk lot , let me stress to you the importance of getting it organized .

Let me show you what I thought it should look like ........it doesn't have to be stamp show quality but it has to make sense to a person looking at it .




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Posted 09/14/2023   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to get off the subject here for a minute -----

Here is a item I received in a forgery collection ,so I wrote it up and mounted it as a forgery on a album page . Years later found a newspaper article I saved many years earlier and went to add information to my album page but determined it was the real stamps and not fakes .
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Posted 09/14/2023   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 09/14/2023   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sergio did sell a mid-five figure forgery collection at Winepex (Redwood Empire Collector's Club's annual show) on October 9, 2022. That and a largest known strip of 6 of a Finnish roulette, a four figure sale, were the two sales made at that three day show.
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Posted 09/14/2023   7:28 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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if that was the bulk of his collection .


Big IF
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