Is This Overprint Genuine Or Fake?

Hello,
I found this stamp with this Spanish overprint "OFICIAL". (Scott #319?)



Is this overprint fake or genuine? If this is genuine, where did it come from, where was it placed and why?
I know, a lot of questions.
Regards
Juergen

Possible the overprint printer does not know that in the english dictionary it is spelled "OFFICIAL" .

The overprint appears to be on top of the cancellation. Is that how it looks in the flesh?

There are no US stamps overprinted with the Spanish version "Oficial" (instead of the englisch spelling). "Oficial" overprints were made in the Central America countries (but not on Canal Zone stamps).
Use a side light and check if the crude overprint is on top of the cancel or not. In any case, the faker was geographically or linguistically challenged.

"OFICIAL" is the Spanish spelling. Here is a Mexico O55 from 1900 with a similar (but not identical) overprint.

The font is different but that doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

There was a lot of interesting cross-border activity between US and Mexico in the early 20th century, so there is some possibility of it being a genuine usage.

Here is a dual-usage cover (not mine) with the same US stamp design as yours, together with Mexican postage as well. PF Cert 374713 submitted by Belasco "It is a Genuine Usage".


Also during the 1914 Veracruz USA occupation there are examples of US postage mailed from Mexico as well as Mexican stamps with U.S.M. postmarks.




I admit none of these examples relate directly to your Oficial overprint, just interesting cross-border synergies. Perhaps it is a makeshift overprint, or perhaps it was just someone having fun. I am not an expert in the area so I can't speculate which it is.

Good point GeoffHa about checking if the overprint is on top of the cancellation, if you can tell.


Update: drkohler's message came in right before I sent my reply and I didn't see it earlier. I was responding to the original post, I was not trying to refute the statement that "There are no US stamps overprinted with the Spanish version "Oficial".

I am a member of an society in Germany that deals with philately of the USA and Canada (Arge USA CANADA). A member owns this stamp and asked this question within the club. I thought that I can surely get an answer in a (this) forum in the USA. And it is true!
Thanks for the detailed answers! I will pass these along.
Juergen

For reasons I can't explain, using magnification will frequently show the overprint and the cancel floating above the surface.

In the lower half of the overprint ( letters O F I C) the overprint is too dark to discern whether the cancellation is on top. For the lighter upper half of overprint (letters I A L), it appears to me that the cancellation is on top. Perhaps easier to tell with the stamp in hand.

IMO "overprint" is a misnomer. It could very well be a genuine handstamp applied for some reason.

I thought we put this topic to (overprint over/under cancel) to bed several times before...
There are multiple threads in this forum which show images where in one area it clearly shows the overprint on top of the cancel and on another area of the same stamp it clearly shows the overprint under the cancel.
In other words, bitmap images are 2D and it is virtually impossible to determine a Z axis order. Even with stamp in hand it can be impossible. Using a VSC or having different wavelength lighting sources and distinct angles can sometimes get you closer to a definitive conclusion.
Don

One that comes to mind is when the stamp was received as a specimen such as stamps given as a present to delegates at a UPU congress. Another example might be stamps covering international tariffs sent to UPU members.

Still, you would expect the sender to apply 'cancelled' or 'specimen' and the Spanish text on a US stamp could only make sense if US stamps were used by an agency or the military in a Spanish-speaking territory.
Even if a receiving postal authority applied the text, you would expect it to read "muestra." But if it was a specimen, you would not expect the stamp to have been used.

edited last sentence for clarification

Siegel Power Search returns no hits on that issue. If real, such would likely have an auction history.




Yes, spot on, by a 10 year old for fun.

Somehow I just don't see a ten year old making or purchasing a hand stamp that says "oficial" and applying it diagonally. Maybe an eleven year old but not ten.

Good day to all. I am new on your forum after a bad experience on another due to this stamp which to me is a conundrum. Let's hope it is different and more constructive here. I find the thread title 'freaks' perfect for it. I will be clear.

This turned up in a collection, spacefiller quality I didn't even notice it for several years and left it in a stockbook.
It is an authentic 6d Buff, watermarked spray rose.
I know that, officially, there is no 6d Buff Official.
I know there are a lot of forgeries of real Officials.
As far as I can see, the obviously hand-stamped overprint is below the cancellation 202 Chudleigh, Devon.
Idem, if fake, it is an old one.

Reflections - why take a 6d Buff? why go to such lengths for nothing?

Any thoughts anybody? Is there specialist literature on fake officials? Just sleuthing, even if to no avail.
Thank you for reading

It is as fake as they come (and certainly not a freak).

It pre-dates the first I.R. Official overprint by 10 years. to be a credible stamp, it should be on a plate 18 grey 6d, Wmk. Imperial Crown.

The odds, very much, are that the hand stamp 'I.R. OFFICIAL' was applied long after the stamp was used. As it pre-dates the concept by so many years, it is highly unlikely (read: not possible at all) this is some kind of essay.

It is interesting you see a '202' barred numeral cancel. It would be a very ornate '2' to have a base that resembles the curve of a '3'. I am not even convinced the cancel is genuine. It looks very odd. It, even, may be someone used a used stamp to add the overprint and then added a fake cancel to cover up the fake overprint.

As to why someone did this: someone may have wanted to fill a space in his album and since it looks similar to the correct stamp, it may have done the trick. On the other end of the spectrum is the certified idiot forger who saw a black-and-white space in an album and did not want to check what stamp he was forging.

I am not aware of the specialist literature you are looking for other than the SG Specialised Vol. 1. I, however, doubt any serious literature would even consider mentioning such a forgery on a stamp that is 10 years too old to qualify, has an obvious incorrect colour, watermark, and plate number. It would be interesting to know if anyone did spend time on it.

Ah, yes, I saw the cancellation 202 the other way up (upside down), I can now see why you consider it as maybe a 303 but it's funny that both 2s be cut in exactly the same way on the bottom loop.

I can, however, agree that there is a suspicion of a double hit cancellation. I will look into that.

Anyway, thanks for answering... I can't get my head around the 'why would anyone go to such lengths?' making or purchasing a rubber stamp just to do a space-filler of a wrong colour (except as a test with a worthless old stamp for real forgeries?)