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Set-Off German 1923 Air Mail Stamp - Well Defined

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Posted 09/06/2023   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add StampH3ad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey all, I was wondering if this is common among German stamps. Regardless, I would like to see your set-offs so I can compare this one to other examples of this phenomenon.







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Posted 09/06/2023   11:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Before this thread gets very far, may I suggest ....
That posts contain scans of BOTH sides of each stamp for reasons of completeness and document the image centering/alignment of both sides.
Thanks!
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Posted 09/06/2023   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The scans are the front and back of the same stamp.
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Posted 09/06/2023   12:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The scans are the front and back of the same stamp.


Exactly as it should be. To show both sides of each stamp being shared. The fullest information provided on each item, yields the best discussion results, etc.
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Posted 09/06/2023   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampH3ad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for pointing out that I should have both sides scanned @Becker, originally I only posted the set-off side.
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Posted 09/06/2023   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the more correct term should be "offset" rather than "set-off" for clearer communication. I didn't quite understand what was meant when I first saw the title.

And, welcome to the forum StampH3ad!
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Posted 09/06/2023   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampH3ad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the welcome :) Sorry about the confusion, I'm new to stamp collecting.
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Posted 09/06/2023   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I believe the more correct term should be "offset" rather than "set-off" for clearer communication.


The trend in this forum in recent years has been to use:
"offset" to describe the standard printing process, like the WWI U.S. issues, and
"set-off" to describe (usually unintended) ink deposits, often on the reverse side from stacking or rolling printed items which are not thoroughly dry.

Set-off can be caused by various printing processes.

The original poster follows that practice.
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Posted 09/06/2023   4:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a regional thing. In Europe, it is called an offset. The printing process is called thus for a reason.
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Posted 09/06/2023   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To be complete.

The German term is: Abklatsch.
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Posted 09/06/2023   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ciletaliph to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These 2 are mint with original gum.



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Posted 09/06/2023   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Becker - Thank you for informing me of this forum's conventions regarding "offset" and "set-off" and will try to keep this in mind going forward.

NSK - "The printing process is called thus for a reason." Exactly!
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Posted 09/06/2023   11:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How is it possible that the offset is printed much darker then the front side? Makes me think that the ink from the front side has mostly been removed to become offset on the sheet that was above it during production..
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Posted 09/07/2023   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMO it is not offset or setoff at all but rather the paper type allows the ink to show through strongly to the back sort of like pelure.
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Posted 09/07/2023   01:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The two shown by ciletaliph are not offset but translucent papers.

I cannot say I have ever seen a stamp that had the colour show deeper from the back than from the front. Is that just the picture or reality? On the other hand, the printing on both sides of OP's stamp does appear to coincide exactly.
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Edited by NSK - 09/07/2023 01:28 am
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Posted 09/07/2023   05:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that a first print was made without paper (depositing the ink on the support) and when inserting the paper, it is possible that not enough ink was applied.
Even if it looks strange with the deeper ink on the back, I think it's a set-off.
In my opinion, the 2 initial images are not made by scanning and are not made in the same lighting conditions - big differences in shade can occur.
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