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What Does The Description "Sound" Mean?

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Posted 09/26/2023   9:46 pm  Show Profile Check philatelia7's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add philatelia7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What is the currently accepted meaning when using the word "sound" to describe stamps in an auction lot? What should you expect when buying a stamp described as "sound"?

I did a search but couldn't find this mentioned.

Thank you for your opinions.
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Posted 09/26/2023   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In good condition, no flaws.
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No thins, tears, creases or pulled perfs.
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No faults.
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:36 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It shouldn't be damaged, but may have drawbacks - it could be poorly centred, have a messy cancellation etc.
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Posted 09/27/2023   02:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I, actually, have only encountered 'sound' in descriptions of used stamps that had quite heavy cancels. Usually the stuff you buy at a steep discount to fine used stamps.
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Posted 09/27/2023   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Morning all,

What is or is not in "sound" condition is a matter of opinion usually given by the seller to an item that will not pass as a higher, more consistantly defined grade. Personally, I want to physicaly hold and evaluate sound items for myself.
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Posted 09/27/2023   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen J Bukowy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No one definition, depends on seller/buyer. Generally no rips/tears.
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:32 pm  Show Profile Check philatelia7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add philatelia7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your interesting responses.

The group consensus seems to mirror the Oxford English Dictionary definition of " in good condition; not damaged, injured, or diseased." Fortunately, LOL, I don't think we have to worry too much a stamp being diseased!

I also detect a feeling that the term applies more to the physical integrity of the paper and less so to the applied inks - ie centering, cancels etc.

Isn't it interesting how many subtly different ways a simple adjective can be interpreted?
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't think we have to worry too much a stamp being diseased!


Possibly, isn't Foxing a form of mold?
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, some stamps do become diseased!
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Disinfected mail is another fun aspect of stamp collecting.
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Posted 09/27/2023   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Foxing...another confusing and often misunderstood term.

Foxing can be one of a number of things including biological source like molds or fungus and/or chemical sources such as metallic reactions elements in the inks or papers.

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Posted 09/27/2023   1:15 pm  Show Profile Check philatelia7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add philatelia7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ewwwwww gross! Yuck! LoL! Yet - Diseased stamps would make an interesting new thread. But that's up to the moderators, eh?

FYI Found this interesting read on the NIH (National Institute of Health) website. Has anyone ever seen a cover with those holes from that weird paddle device?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar.../PMC3320382/
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Edited by philatelia7 - 09/27/2023 1:17 pm
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Posted 09/27/2023   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The group consensus seems to mirror the Oxford English Dictionary definition of " in good condition; not damaged, injured, or diseased."


NONE of that matters or means anything IF the auction firm or dealer defines the word as they use it.

You wasted your time asking the question here when the responses do not matter. You need to direct that question to the person or firm using it.

Edit: Just for fun I checked Siegel's Auction No. 1293 which starts tomorrow. It uses the term "sound" 12 times in the descriptions but does not define the word.
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As such I will point out that all the opinions offered up in this thread for "sound" are in fact mere third party opinions, including that of the OED. To be more technical, "sound," as with many other philatelic terms, is a term of art.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/27/2023 8:40 pm
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Ever buy a collection that was from an ex-smoker. That stuff should be classified as hazardous waste. (not sound)

* And I doubt that will ever come up in the description.
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Edited by patg23 - 09/27/2023 4:23 pm
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