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Scott Specialized Catalogue Of United States Counterfeits To Double In Size

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Posted 10/11/2023   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rogdcam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
As per Amos Media:


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A new edition of the Scott Specialized Catalogue of United States Counterfeits, scheduled for publication this fall, could double in size from the 2023 edition.


Double in size in ONE YEAR. Houston, we have a large problem.
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Posted 10/11/2023   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quite a juxtaposition in my mind...Communist Chinese counterfeits being used by American publisher to make a buck by encouraging the collector market for them (by assigning catalog values).
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Posted 10/11/2023   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Communist Chinese Counterfeit Postage Don?
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Edited by NSK - 10/11/2023 4:44 pm
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Posted 10/11/2023   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes (sorry for the poor wording), we have previously posted links to several Chinese companies who are printing and selling US counterfeit postage stamps.

Early this year (03/16/2023) the U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport seized an incoming shipment of US counterfeit stamps coming in from China.
And in Feb of this year, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service announced seizure of $2.5 million in counterfeit stamps coming from China.
https://www.uspis.gov/u-s-postal-in...feit-postage

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Posted 10/11/2023   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I was referring to the abbreviation CCCP.

The UK, also, is being flooded with forgeries, It took very little time for the King Charles III definitives to be forged. And the quality is getting better. Most come from China. I cannot say I have heard much about forgeries of Dutch stamps.
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Posted 10/11/2023   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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by assigning catalog values


You make a good point.
If they had not done that, it could have been a good book on what "not" to buy.
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Posted 10/11/2023   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeits are nothing new, they have been around for 150 years, and have always been popular with collectors.
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Posted 10/11/2023   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From Fournier and Sperati to Peter Winter and many in-between, most were created in limited quantities and not intended to defraud the postal service. That has changed exponentially in the last few years.
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Posted 10/11/2023   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I make a distinction between forgeries (meant to deceive collectors) and counterfeits (meant to deceive postal systems).

Using that definition, I cannot recall 150-year-old counterfeit stamps.
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Posted 10/11/2023   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Counterfeits are nothing new, they have been around for 150 years, and have always been popular with collectors.


Nothing new indeed. The difference here is that a Nation, China, and specifically the Chinese Communist Party, is flooding the marketplace with millions of dollars (certainly in the tens of millions and perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars) of very high-quality counterfeits. Why? Perhaps just to make money or maybe to undermine one of our institutions or it could be a combination of both. In any case it is a wholesale attempt to undermine a segment of our economy.

We are not talking about some "artisan" seeing how far he can take his craft nor are we talking about something from another age that we can justify as being historical in nature and as such something to study and collect.

This type of behavior by China is nothing new. They have long stolen intellectual property and knocked-off products from lightbulbs to prescription drugs. It is not at all a victimless crime.

We have discussed in other posts how feckless Washington has been in dealing with these attacks on our economy so I will leave that be here.

IMO it is shameful for Amos to assign values to these, helping to create a secondary market for modern fakes especially when they are still flooding the marketplace. A bad taste in one's mouth.

PS: Will the 2025 edition be twice the size of the 2024 edition which is twice the size of the 2023 edition. When is it officially a snake that finally needs its head cut off.
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Posted 10/11/2023   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely. A Sperati forgery of US 9X1 or #2, for example, are very collectible and interesting items.

This stuff is something else.
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I make a distinction between forgeries (meant to deceive collectors) and counterfeits (meant to deceive postal systems).

Using that definition, I cannot recall 150-year-old counterfeit stamps.


While the scale of modern counterfeiting is certainly egregious, postal forgeries designed to defraud the Spanish postal system were being produced in Spain as early as the 1850s. Postally used most are rare/uncommon and very collectible.

Side note - to counteract this practice is why Spain issued a new series of stamps every year. It seems to have just given the forgers more material to practice on...
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Posted 10/11/2023   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I make a distinction between forgeries (meant to deceive collectors) and counterfeits (meant to deceive postal systems).

Using that definition, I cannot recall 150-year-old counterfeit stamps.


There were revenue stamps counterfeited during the Civil War to defraud the Government. There were a LOT of revenue stamps counterfeited during prohibition to defraud the government and the imbibers. There were postal counterfeits in the 1890's and the 1920's.
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Posted 10/12/2023   01:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Using that definition, I cannot recall 150-year-old counterfeit stamps.


Note the name under which they are known. They, however, adhere to your definition of counterfeit and are 151 years old.

https://www.linns.com/news/world-st...-been-solved
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Posted 10/12/2023   06:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some declarations are opinion not fact. In any case, if one makes something easy to copy then it can be easily exploited .The motive is simple...money for the buyer and seller.
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Posted 10/12/2023   10:53 am  Show Profile Check wheelman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheelman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So is anyone aware of China receiving counterfeit stamps? I'm getting old and crotchety - maybe we should return the favor?
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