Belgian Forgeries Or Not

I have some Belgian Red Cross Stamp from 1914 both Merode and Albert I.

I will start with Albert the I COB 130 10 C Red(Rouge) prints official 299.989 in sheets of 150 (15x10), stone Print 90 % or more is false.

How good are you at determine the real deal? Genuine which one of the 3?

1:


And
2:


Finally 3:

I do not have any info on Belgian stamps, but one thing about all three stamps bugs me. The word "Belgique" is not spaced properly - the "B" is closer to the top as the last "e",
I would not trust these


Peter

From the APS:

https://stamps.org/learn/forged-or-...ntry/belgium

@Petert4522
@rogdcam

Well the B on all three stamps is spacede Correctly, This is 3 examples of the Dangerous forgeries of Belgium. Nbr. 1 and Nbr. 2 is type 2 of the dangerous forgeries and nr. 3 is type 1.

The Letters in the Word Belgique. is spaced as follow: G and I must not thuch: U and E is only attached in the top. BEL is higer than the rest of the letter.

These stamps is that well produced that you normally have to look at the gum at the back, but there is nog gum. The gum on the forgeries will be bright and shiny.

the tell here is the highed of the stamp and even the dangerous 2 forgerie type I can have the same highed as the geuine 22,4 mm that is the tell and you have to find the flaw at the stamp in the shet of a 150 ther is only 4 type II stamps in the genuine sheet. The type II is 22.6 mm high at the genuine.

All three of the examples is forgeries Nbr. 1, 2 and 3 but if you do not know what to look for it can money lost. I will upload the 5 C and the 20 C and I will give everybody time to reflect over the stamps.

I proabably could have sold the bounch as Genuine, we could also discuss the forged stamp ANTVERPEN used :-)

Now I will Continue with the Dangerous Forgeries this time it will be the 20 C Violet 60.000 Stone print. there is a little more tells on this type of forgeries than the 10 C rose.

Now is there a Genuine among the 3 ?

Here we go Nbr. 1
This is a Type I, I will Explain later how you see the difference between a type I and a Type II, but think you will find the difference :-)



Nbr 2. Also a Type I



Nbr. 3 A type II

The repeat Antwerpen postmark is not a good sign.

I believe this specific date is know to be an indicator these are not real. Cannnot find the article so fast..

My vote is for 3 times forgerie.

@Johan Buvelot

Well, The Postmark is a big tell, it is used as Antwerpen Anvers 1A 1L 9 10 X 7 1914 and is always suspecius also at the Non forgeries. therefore you is correct all 3 is forgeries.

Typ I: The pearls is NOT connected to the right:



Q Type I, at the false stamp the The Q is open at the bottom. The cedille touches both sides of the Q and is long and bent.



The real stamp measure 22.5 mm the false Type I is 22 mm

The Cross at the real stamp is mat red on the false bright red.

Type II: The pearls is connected to the right



Q type II, At the false stam The Q is long and bent. The Q is open at the bottom, the cedille touches the left side inside the Q.



The real stamp measure 22.5 mm the false Type II is 22.1 mm high

The Cross at the real stamp is mat red on the false bright red.

Time To Albert the I 5 C OBP green Stone print 70.769

This time I show you 3 Genuine or do I :-) give it your best shoot Which one is false?


5 C Type II.



5 C Type I.



5 C Type I. 3

It does not help that thousands of fakes continue to be released on the market.

@Rogdcam

I write to a lot of sellers and autcionhouses and tell them they are selling false stamps from Belgium, many is not aware they are false because the majority of the stamp Issue from 1914 is false, the real stamp is actually not that easy to find.

If we as collectors fail to make fellow collectors aware of the false stamps we are just a guilty, If we continue to talk about and show what to look for then people will save money to buy the genuine and certified stamps instead.

Now what do you think Genuine or false ?

When I compare this genuine certified example below to the one shown in the above post, I conclude that the above stamp is a crude fake.

@Rogdcam

It is a fake, the tell is actually the Crown, it is the fastest way to tell the overprint is false. The overprint is as you describe it "Crude".

Very nice stamp you have, velcentered.

5 C Type II is false. Dangerous forgery

The Postmark is Atwerpen-Anvers 1A-1L 9-10 7 X 1914 and the alarm bell start ringing.

Type II is known by the fused pearls under BE. The False stamp is similar to the genuine.



The Cross is dark Red

The genuine stamp is 22.5 mm in height the false typ II is 22,3 mm

5 C. Type I Dangerous forgery The pearls under BE is not connected



Crosc bright Red, the stamp is similar to the genuine stamp but meassure only 22.1 mm to 22.3 mm real stamp is 22.5 mm

5 C type I is one of the rough/simple forgery and type 3

First type I. The pearls is not connected unde BE.
Type 3 of the rough forgery. BELGIQUE is closser to the top of the ribbon.



Cross is Bright red.

The Cedila in Q is closed, Short and Strong



The White Line over the pearls in the lover Left side, lower right side, at the right chick and over the both epaulets

This is Belgium stamp BZ25

It is a nice stamp to have in the collection, if it is genuine, but to know the genuine you might have to know the forgery. This one is actully callede " Un premier type de faux".

I spare you from the rest of my false Belgium including Railroad stamps, the Merode and others. I hope you have enjoyed the stamps and learned, that if you buy expensive stamp and series of stamps from the 1914 or any year for that matter, ask for a certificate.

If it is to good to be true, well it might not be true

Enjoy this one :-)

Viking - Thank you so much for this topic and what you have shared. Very educational and interesting. I actually would love to see more of your material when you have the time.

Viking123, your BZ25 stamp is an especially bad forgery. The basic stamp is a forgery, not just the overprint. The genuine stamp was only issued engraved.

I too would like to see more of your Belgium forgeries, even though I don't collect Belgium. Thanks.