Austrian Empire Philately - Laibach Cancels Clarification

I have two different lettters sent to Laibach in 1861 and 1863 . Both letters have outgoing and incoming cancels, but no stamps. Both are official letters.
I have one catalogue of Austrian early cancels, but it didnt help me in identifying these two cancels.
I would appreciate your input and assistance.

Thanks!

Laibach Stadt (Ljubljana City) in Slovenia.The bottom postmark could be an arrival postmark. Bottom "Nachm" could mean afternoon (arrival)?

Thank you Perf12 for the information
My question wasnt, however about the geographical side of the cancel as I know names of Slovenian cities under Habsburg Monarchy. My question is rather more postal, as to what these cancels mean and where and in what situationst were they used.
"Nach" according to the book I have means "too late".
Both cancels are receiving cancels, but I am not sure if square cancel is postal cancel.

It does not say "Nach" but "Nachm" which is an abbreviation for Nachmittag (noon).
If the letters were sent to Laibach, certainly from outside the town, it will be a receiver mark.

A much simpler explanation, especially for that circular one is that it was from an item of mail that did not carry a stamp and it was the stamp from the office where the item was posted.
An unstamped circular with meat prices in Laibach (1875) from ebay: note the "Nachmit."

Strictly speaking, Mittag is noon/midday and Nachmittag is afternoon.

NSK,
Nachmittag abrreviation makes perfect sense in this case.
The ebay example you have presented has laibach nachmittag cancel as posting / outgoing cancel and on my letter it is receiving postal cancel.

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Absolutely correct. Cutting corners there. Both in the Netherlands and in Germany, we use the word for noon also for the afternoon.

Any ideas on square cancel?


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Hello,

I don't know if this helps,according to the Tergeste catalog,the squared postmark is similar/identical to the one of Trieste(in lowercase letters) from 1863 applied on outgoing stampless mails.
At the time Trieste was part of the Austrian empire.

This may be nothing at all, but it might be worth adding New Year's (in a couple different languages) to your searches?

I'm sort of surprised that no one has asked to see the full covers. May we?

From this auction https://live.ferrarioaste.com/it/lo...rancata-da-/ a cover from Trieste To Sira (Greece) dated 6/13/1863 and taxed on arrival.

"I don't know if this helps,according to the Tergeste catalog,the squared postmark is similar/identical to the one of Trieste(in lowercase letters) from 1863 applied on outgoing stampless mails."

Thanks for this cover. Thats the only other example I found so far

Square Laibach cancel is however incoming cancel.

@Cjd, I cannot put up images of these covers at this moment, as they are about to be put up for sale at an auction.
Outgoing cancels are by postal officials in small slovenian places.

Since you cannot provide pictures, can you provide more details on what makes you conclude this?
The information you provided is sparse.

Both letters have Written content on the inside of the cover.
I cannot read this gothic style of handwriting and I am not even sure if its german language, but I can read the date and place where it was written.
Outer part of the letter contains destination - Laibach. Outgoing cancels on both letters are a day older.

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