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Switzerland
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Posted 04/24/2024   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The red stamp has a Gilbert (Prof. Rudolf Gilbert) signature, a well known (old time) stamp examiner. This signature is known to have been faked rather often so this stamp requires a new certificate. Why some idiot printed "smooth paper" along the bottom edge is anyone's guess, it was certainly not Gilbert. There is another signature at bottom right I don't recognise (probably of the idiot?).
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United States
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Posted 04/24/2024   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am still on vacation , when I get back home I would like to look at this issue .

This could be a Austrian specialist or even a Czech specialist who learned of a different type of paper used to print the stamp . They then marked the rear of the stamp . This discovery was made years if not decades later after the stamp was marked by the expert . Not ready to call anybody a idiot until more research done on the underlining stamp .

So at this time is it a forgery or did two different experts mark the stamp ,so is one of them wrong or both are wrong with the marking not sure
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Switzerland
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Posted 04/24/2024   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The signature Gilbert on your red stamp stands for:
Mint stamp, with overprint, genuine

The examiner symbol at bottom right would mean exactly the same for a USED stamp if the symbol read from bottom right to top right
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Edited by drkohler - 04/24/2024 4:39 pm
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Posted 04/24/2024   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The mark at bottom right appears a monogram capital T either over or behind a capital M, oriented horizontally. It might be in the same colour ink as the 'hladky papir' mark.
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Edited by NSK - 04/24/2024 4:42 pm
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