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Is There Such A Thing As A Country Family Tree?

 
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Posted 04/30/2024   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add imperfectal to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm battling with organising many of my stamps. As we all know, countries come, and countries go.

I'd like to organise 'related' countries together if possible - for example, British East Africa became (philatelically speaking) Kenya and Uganda. This then morphed into Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika, (the last of which was previously German East Africa) which then all became separate entities in their own right. Tanganyika was renamed to Tanzania at some point, and I'm still trying to work out where Zanzibar fits into the picture!

The South Africa area seems to be even more complex - I picked a simple example above. And don't get me started on Germany, it's various regions, colonisations, takeovers and splits. The French and Dutch colonies provide a similar problem, as does the Far East region (Malaysia etc.)

What I'd like to see is a graphical family tree, showing how various countries past and present are related. Dates of changes would be helpful too. I've tried to work through the SG catalog which gives some information toward this, but it takes a lot of switching between the various volumes to get even part of the picture.

So, does such a thing already exist somewhere? I've done a search on this, on other fora and on the wider web, but have drawn a blank so far...

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Posted 04/30/2024   12:55 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Stamp World History site would have been useful to you, but is, I think, no longer accessible.
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Posted 04/30/2024   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rascal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When that stamp world history site went off-line someone on this board recommended the book "The Stamp Atlas". I purchased it and find it most useful. It does group the various stamp issuing entities together. I probably found it on Amazon or AbeBooks.

Linns also has a stamp issuing entities of the world website which, I believe, is free to use without a subscription.
However tt lists all the stamp issuing countries in alphabetical order. In the brief writeups for each country it usually would provide you with enough clues as to when a country changed it's name or became something else.

It might be worth a look. You could probably get the same information from wiki,

https://www.linns.com/news/postal-u...e-world.html


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Posted 04/30/2024   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add imperfectal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks folks, I think I have a stamp atlas here somewhere, I'll need to see if I can find it...

It sounds like that stamp history web site was the nearest thing to what I'm looking for. A shame the content was never revived after the founder's passing.
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Posted 05/01/2024   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Imperfectal, I will be able to post a "family tree" for Germany but only tomorrow. I also need to figure out how to format as we only have a 200kb limit for uploads.
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Posted 05/01/2024   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Germania,

If you need to post something larger, you can send it to me and I'll upload it to my server and send you a link. There are no size limits on non-SCF-hosted images.
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Posted 05/01/2024   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Through the generous support of PostmasterGS my Germany family tree is hosted on his website and can be found here:

[code]https://www.germanstamps.net/images...-cropped.jpg[code]

Just one important point to note - dates shown are when an entity issued their first stamp, not when an entity came into existence.

I created this chart about 35 years ago so did not have the www or a PC to help. Corrections appreciated!

And once again PostmasterGS, thank you for your assistance!
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Posted 05/01/2024   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Presenting the GermanStamps.net Collection - Germany, Colonies, & Occupied Territories, 1872-1945
Edited by PostmasterGS - 05/01/2024 2:47 pm
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Posted 05/02/2024   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add imperfectal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for that Germania - that's quite some work, and shows how complex the issue can become.
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Posted 05/02/2024   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RXC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might find dcstamps.com useful. It contains lists of "dead countries" and usually includes their new name(s) as they changed. It is also a great site for just poking around.
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Posted 05/02/2024   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add imperfectal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for that Dead Countries link. It has a section called 'Transition Charts' which is exactly what I'm looking for.

Sadly, a lot of areas are missing from there but it's a start for my purposes.

Thanks again.
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