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Scott #7 With Sliver Of Margin Imprint?

 
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Posted 07/29/2024   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add canyoneer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I got this in an auction recently. It was interesting to me because it had a small sliver of the margin imprint on it. Can anyone identify what words this would be? I assume knowing this, the plate position could be determined. Thanks!
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Posted 07/30/2024   01:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps this helps Plate #2:




Edit:This #7 is position 60R2 and you will note that it does not seem to match.

Here is the full imprint on Plate 2 right.


The above cropped from a full used PL# and IMP Block of 8. Does not look like a match for Pl#2, any inscription position and OP's copy.

Edited for photo overlay in post below.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 07/30/2024 12:12 pm
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Posted 07/30/2024   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now Plate 3:


Above is Position 50R3
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Posted 07/30/2024   09:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canyoneer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Parcelpostguy. I created a semi-transparent version of my pic and overlaid it on your 3nd image that showed the full imprint. Looks like it matches the top where it says "& Cincinnati". Based on that, do you think this is a #7 or some other type? I'm not sure what that type is in that position.


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Posted 07/30/2024   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like 40R2?
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Posted 07/30/2024   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nailed it, stallzer.
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Posted 07/30/2024   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Definitely 40R2.
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Posted 07/30/2024   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Based on that, do you think this is a #7 or some other type? I'm not sure what that type is in that position.


Well, this how Siegel described the block from which the images were cropped due to SCF sizing limits:


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1c Blue, Ty. II (7). Positions 39-40/49-50/59-60/69-70R2, unused block of eight (no gum) from the right pane of Plate 2 with "Toppan, Carpenter, Casilear & Co. BANK NOTE ENGRAVERS. Phila. New York, Boston & Cincinnati" imprint and "No. 2." plate number at right, large to ample margins, rich color and sharp impression, thin spots, ink stains affect Positions 39, 59, and 60, small facial scrape on Position 39

VERY FINE APPEARANCE. ONE OF ONLY TWO RECORDED PLATE BLOCKS OF THE 1851 ONE-CENT BLUE TYPE II.

Only two plate blocks of Scott No. 7 are recorded, both from Plate 2. Both were part of the William H. Gross Collection, and the other was offered in Sale 1200 (lot 12), where it realized $47,200.00 (including the buyer's premium), which forms the basis of the current Scott Catalogue value.


That covers it don't you think?
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Posted 07/30/2024   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right this is a Ty II #7.

edit: Getting any partial imprint capture on these early 1c imperforate plates is a nice get. The imprint was so far away from the design, that any imprint capture on plates 1e-4 is scarce.
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Edited by txstamp - 07/30/2024 12:59 pm
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Posted 07/30/2024   2:24 pm  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plate 1E didn't have an imprint.

Top cover on https://www.rfrajola.com/MLCincy/ML..._Page_08.jpg was illustrated in Neinken (and was used by him to establish that fact - it's 40R1E.
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Posted 07/30/2024   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right - the imprint was added on 1L, when the plate was re-entered.
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Posted 07/30/2024   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
40R1E showing Plate #1 has no imprint.

This is the cover referenced in paperhistory's post above.

If you look to the several plate one reconstructions, not hint of imprint has been seen on those stamps used for the reconstruction.

Edit: To post enlarged text from above image:


And a closeup of the stamp--
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 07/30/2024 2:47 pm
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Posted 07/30/2024   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canyoneer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to you all. It's fun to have knowledgeable people explain things. Having the images was very helpful.
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