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What Is It ? #594, #596, Or #632? Help Needed.

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Posted 08/10/2024   07:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Davbrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So, after checking the back of both the stamps, I can't find any residue of green ink thus helping me with eliminating the flat plate printing (#552). So, I began to measure both with my unreliable tools & this is the results :












So, what is it? Left? Right? If I count the perforation hole, both are on 11(must get those perforation gauge!)
Thanking in advance for help rendered, I appreciated it very much & most welcome !

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Posted 08/10/2024   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp is very narrow (the vertical margins are too small). I suspect that it might have been reperforated to fake a rare stamp. You need to use a perf gauge rather than measuring it.
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Posted 08/10/2024   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most are Scott 632
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Posted 08/10/2024   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First, STOP counting perforations.
Second, STOP trying to measure the image dimensions.
Third, pause until you obtain a real perforaton gauge.

It is extremely unlikely that your stamps have been altered in any way.

I agree with jogil, as the shade of both of your stamps is consistent with 632, which is also an extremely common stamp. It will be perf 11x10.5. In the absence of a perforation gauge, I would recommend using a stamp of KNOWN rate as a gauge. If you have a low value stamp from the presidential series of 1938, use it as a guide.

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Using stamps of known rate as a gauge, here is a candidate Scott 632 along with Scott 804, and 805 from the presidentail series of 1938. The presidential stamps are perf 11x10.5 as noted before.
Looking at the two stamps at the left, the side perforations align (note the red lines), The 804 is perf 10.5 thus the candidate stamp is confirmed as a 632. No other measurements are needed.

Looking at the two right stamps, when the 805 is rotated, the alignment (green lines) at the bottom is correct, but is "off" by about half a hole near the top, which is about 20mm in span and a good indication of a gauge difference of 0.5 which is what the catalogs indicate.

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Edited by John Becker - 08/10/2024 10:24 am
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Posted 08/10/2024   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, sorry to have counted the perforation holes earlier #128517;...i rectify the problem, I got the perforation gauge already....here are the results ::






Both have the same results - 11 × 11
So, what's your thoughts ???
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Posted 08/10/2024   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Try 10.5 for the vertical perforations instead of 11 and the horizontal should be around 11.25 more accurately than 11
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Edited by jogil - 08/10/2024 10:51 am
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Posted 08/10/2024   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of your latest pictures matched up perfectly to the 11 gauge. As suggested, try the 10.5. They may or may not match up perfectly, but will be closer. Good luck.
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Posted 08/10/2024   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't aligned as proper as 11 does....

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Posted 08/10/2024   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
U.S. stamps are *not* exactly 10.5 or 11, only very close to these rounded catalog approximations.
Also, do you know if your gauge is truly accurate?
In many ways it is better to use another stamp of known gauge as a tool.
It would be interesting to see the two original stamps scanned in a head-to-side position to see how they align, or against a presidential issue as I suggested above..
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Posted 08/10/2024   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I do that ....here is the result,
It seems that's the alignment are not perfect especially the upper side & lower side...look.

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Posted 08/10/2024   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops! Just the upper side not aligned...
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Posted 08/10/2024   9:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a match with the Jefferson stamp. Your green Franklin is definitely a 632. No question about it.
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Posted 08/10/2024   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have doubt on that because of this...the other one fit perfectly
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Posted 08/11/2024   02:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both your perforation gauge and the matching with another stamp indicate you have a stamp perforated 11 x 10.5.
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Posted 08/11/2024   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alright, since you are saying that...i have another question to ask....Look at the next photo & explain, how is that possible that when I merge it with Scott #499, it turned out like that, it fit perfectly nice between them in the perforation holes ???



Like wise, here the other one doesn't look like it fit perfectly...

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Posted 08/11/2024   04:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If my information is correct, #499 has perforation 11. I am not familiar with the rounding by Scott, but if that is by halves, perf. 11 may be close to 10 3/4 and 10.5 may be between 10 1/2 and 10 3/4.

None of these stamps shows a perfect fit. The perfect fit you claim in the first picture is not there:
* the top perforation (ignoring the corner) of the lefthand stamp is below a perforation on the green one.
* the bottom one is above a perforation on the green one.

So, where there are 11 perforation tips at left, there are fewer than 11 on the right. If the red one, indeed, is perf. 11, the green one must be < 11.

I shall leave it to the experts to determine whether you correctly identified the red stamp.
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Edited by NSK - 08/11/2024 04:23 am
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