Rep. Argentina Sc#7 Forgery?

I would like to show you this copy that I have obtained, which corresponds to the first issue of Republica Argentina from year 1862, which I believe I have identified as an SC#7(a?). I have reviewed many images on the web... I think it is authentic... but I have also seen that there are variations depending on the C of "CENTAVOS"... but I am not clear about it and this does not help me. I have also found some reference to the Fournier but I would need more information and see a true original about which there is no doubt to be able to compare it...

I think it is a forgery based on information in the Serrane Guide.
The Serrane Guide was reprinted by American Philatelist over a period of several years. Argentina was published in Dec 1992; you can download it from the APS website.

Thank you very much for the information!! it is an "old forgie" type I..I think....

It is not one of the very common Lange forgeries though, so that's a good thing. The cancel is one that is often found on forgeries and not on genuine.

Thanks to your help I have started to find useful information!!! Through both Serrano and Lange...Concretely I have found this description (here http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2...l/argen.htm) that fits my stamp perfectly..

"The above forgery is the one described in 'The Spud Papers'. There are 81 pearls in the circle (in the genuine stamps there are 71 to 78 pearls). The hat is different from the genuine stamps and there is a larger space between the "E" and "N" in "CENTAVOS". The "O" of this word is small. Note the strange cancel consisting of parallel bars or part of an ellipse(?). I've also seen the 5 c of this forgery set canceled with a pattern of dots.

I'm not sure if it refers to the Langes, Fournier...or a third type.

All those that Paul shows, except the one with the wide C, are Lange forgeries.

I have to ask a crazy question. Do all you Argentina collectors count all the pearls on every copy of this issue? Do you have a template or use some other shortcut? In some respects Germany philately is a lot easier .

Below are three genuine Scott 7's. First off, the shield on each is much more distinct. Also, the bottom of the "5"'s and the "C"s of Centavo are aligned with each other. To me, when you see the genuine and the forgeries there is no comparison. That still leaves the problem of the reprints from genuine plates though.

Yes all mine are forgeries above from my collection of forgeries . It is always better to have the various different types of forgeries than just talk about one type .

Very useful thread. Thanks everyone.

I really don't think I've ever seen known genuine copies of these, for comparison. But after seeing rogdcam's genuine stamps above, the differences seem to POP out at you. The genuine stamps, in general, appear to have much better detail with sharper, more crisp, printing. I've got a bunch of the common forgeries, as most people do, with 1 that is something other than one of the common forgeries. Whether it's genuine or not, I still don't know.

Thanks rogdcam for posting the genuine ones for a good comparison.

Puting 2 forgeries on each side of the real stamp

Note though that the plates on these wore pretty quickly, so there are genuine examples with very worn details. I have only one genuine of the 15c:

But can show you extreme examples of the 5c:

The tell is that the bottom of the "5" and "C" on the genuine are on the same plane while the "C" is dropped on the forgeries. There are a number of Scott 5, 6 and 7 in the PF database that are genuine and one that is counterfeit and the numeral/centavos alignment is a constant tell as to genuine or fake.