Germany 10pf Orange 83e Or 83j

You're looking at the wrong catalog number. That's why there's a disconnect between what you're seeing and what everyone here is saying. It's Scott 119 / Michel 141, not Scott 83 / Michel 86.

Michel shows a whole range of germania in 1915, michel page 370.

Now let's look at the big blue comments:
Scott presents all the major numbers (81-91:except 1905 Scott 80 2pf gray) under the 1905-19 date. This would certainly appear that both pre-war (1905-13) and wartime (1915-18) printings can be put there, willy-nilly.

But...

Then Scott headlines the 1905-19 date section with "Wartime printing-dark colors, indistinct impression, yellow gum"! ? ! So does that mean only wartime printings should be put there? That can't be right as surely there were no wartime printings between 1905-13. Remember this is were virtually all the Scott major numbers for the issue are to be put.

Then, to confuse further, there is a long separate minor number section for "Pre-war printings -bright colors, sharp impressions, high quality paper, white gum". Does the clearly identified pre-wars go here, and one ignores the 1905-19 major number section- the one headlined with the wartime printing identification?

Confusing.

The Scott orientated (American) albums, both Big Blue, and more surprising Deep Blue (Steiner), follows suit with only giving spaces for the 1905-19 major number section.

What to do?

The "simple" approach...
Simply ignore any pre-war/war printing differences for the 1905-19 watermarked Germanias and put the whole issue there (yes-willy-nilly). ;-) After all, it is a bit subjective anyway. ;-)

The "separate out the pre-war and wartime printings the best we can" approach....
For me, I put the 'rough" more likely wartime printings under the 1905-19 major number category. Then I have a separate space/page for the more likely pre-war printings, with the Scott minor numbers labeled.

So now, on to the 1905-1919 Germania issue...


1905-19 Scott 80-91 "Germania" wmk "Lozenges"
I reserve these spaces for the 'rougher" wartime printings
Above is Deep Blue's only formal spaces for the 1905-19 issue, as the album follows the Scott major number scheme. I am attempting to separate the likely wartime and pre-war printings by adding another page.
As Scott headlines the 1905-19 section with the wartime printing discussion, I put the likely wartime printings here. Then a separate page holds the Scott minor number pre-war printing stamps; at least those I believed I have identified. ;-)

Scott presents all the major numbers (81-91:except 1905 Scott 80 2pf gray) under the 1905-19 date. This would certainly appear that both pre-war (1905-13) and wartime (1915-18) printings can be put there, willy-nilly.

But...

Then Scott headlines the 1905-19 date section with "Wartime printing-dark colors, indistinct impression, yellow gum"! ? ! So does that mean only wartime printings should be put there? That can't be right as surely there were no wartime printings between 1905-13. Remember this is were virtually all the Scott major numbers for the issue are to be put.

Then, to confuse further, there is a long separate minor number section for "Pre-war printings -bright colors, sharp impressions, high quality paper, white gum". Does the clearly identified pre-wars go here, and one ignores the 1905-19 major number section- the one headlined with the wartime printing identification?

Confusing.

The Scott orientated (American) albums, both Big Blue, and more surprising Deep Blue (Steiner), follows suit with only giving spaces for the 1905-19 major number section.

What to do?

The "simple" approach...
Simply ignore any pre-war/war printing differences for the 1905-19 watermarked Germanias and put the whole issue there (yes-willy-nilly). ;-) After all, it is a bit subjective anyway. ;-)

The "separate out the pre-war and wartime printings the best we can" approach....
For me, I put the 'rough" more likely wartime printings under the 1905-19 major number category. Then I have a separate space/page for the more likely pre-war printings, with the Scott minor numbers labeled.

So now, on to the 1905-1919 Germania issue...


1905-19 Scott 80-91 "Germania" wmk "Lozenges"
I reserve these spaces for the 'rougher" wartime printings
Above is Deep Blue's only formal spaces for the 1905-19 issue, as the album follows the Scott major number scheme. I am attempting to separate the likely wartime and pre-war printings by adding another page.
As Scott headlines the 1905-19 section with the wartime printing discussion, I put the likely wartime printings here. Then a separate page holds the Scott minor number pre-war printing stamps; at least those I believed I have identified. ;-)

Oh my.

Scott presents all the major numbers (81-91:except 1905 Scott 80 2pf gray) under the 1905-19 date. This would certainly appear that both pre-war (1905-13) and wartime (1915-18) printings can be put there, willy-nilly.

But...

Then Scott headlines the 1905-19 date section with "Wartime printing-dark colors, indistinct impression, yellow gum"! ? ! So does that mean only wartime printings should be put there? That can't be right as surely there were no wartime printings between 1905-13. Remember this is were virtually all the Scott major numbers for the issue are to be put.

Then, to confuse further, there is a long separate minor number section for "Pre-war printings -bright colors, sharp impressions, high quality paper, white gum". Does the clearly identified pre-wars go here, and one ignores the 1905-19 major number section- the one headlined with the wartime printing identification?

Confusing.

The Scott orientated (American) albums, both Big Blue, and more surprising Deep Blue (Steiner), follows suit with only giving spaces for the 1905-19 major number section.

What to do?

The "simple" approach...
Simply ignore any pre-war/war printing differences for the 1905-19 watermarked Germanias and put the whole issue there (yes-willy-nilly). ;-) After all, it is a bit subjective anyway. ;-)

The "separate out the pre-war and wartime printings the best we can" approach....
For me, I put the 'rough" more likely wartime printings under the 1905-19 major number category. Then I have a separate space/page for the more likely pre-war printings, with the Scott minor numbers labeled.

So now, on to the 1905-1919 Germania issue...


1905-19 Scott 80-91 "Germania" wmk "Lozenges"
I reserve these spaces for the 'rougher" wartime printings
Above is Deep Blue's only formal spaces for the 1905-19 issue, as the album follows the Scott major number scheme. I am attempting to separate the likely wartime and pre-war printings by adding another page.
As Scott headlines the 1905-19 section with the wartime printing discussion, I put the likely wartime printings here. Then a separate page holds the Scott minor number pre-war printing stamps; at least those I believed I have identified. ;-)

Exactly

jb100056,
I hesitate to enter the fray, but may I suggest you pause, take a breath and actually digest and understand the posts made by everyone else here. They are all consistent to point out "Scott 119" which is an orange stamp in this group of post-war Germania issues as listed here in Scott's Classic Catalog, 2021 edition:

and running on through #136

Thank you, John, I was about to post the same information.
jb100056, look at the colors of Scott 118-132; they are all different compared to Scott 81-91. For example, the 5pf stamp - Scott 118 is brown, Scott 82 is green, and so on.
Peace and War printings are whole other animal. Plenty has been written about that on SCF.

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Germania ID Aid.

Germany Scott 119 shades

Here is a link to a post which I responded to back in 2019:
https://goscf.com/t/70768#625578

The first response you got said it wasn't Scott #83, any version, it is Scott #119 from 1920. Did you not read that and then look in your catalog? Pre-war and wartime don't apply, because the war was over by 1920 when your stamps were released.

Hi,

Here Mi.Nr.141 on Card.

Hornet

Looks like the sender chose those on purpose.

Hi,

Lovely in period use of Mi.Nr.141.

Thanks to take the time to translate for other members here. This is great :)

Hornet

We seem to have lost our original poster.

As Germany's inflation picked up, here is a postcard from the next rate period (April 1, 1921-Dec 31, 1921), in which the same 4 stamps now paid only the domestic postcard rate, from Hamburg to Hannover.