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Posted 01/21/2025   11:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stamps4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So I hoping someone can take a look at this one for me. I think it's SG428. The wmk has a little confused though. It does not look like W111 to me, but W11a. BUT, I do not see SG428 with W111a. Can anyone tell with the below picture? best I could do for the Wmk - the image is looking at the back of stamp, top up. Tks much.





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Posted 01/22/2025   01:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SG428, Watermark "Block Cypher."
his stamp does not exist with W111a.

Edit: W111 is the SG Concise reference for a watermark known as "Block Cypher." The specialised number is W15. W111a is a similar but smaller type used for experimental paper used by Waterlow in 1924 and 1925 for some printings of the 1d and 1˝d "Mackennals." It is specialised number W16.
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Posted 01/22/2025   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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SG428, Watermark "Block Cypher."
his stamp does not exist with W111a.


That's why I was confused and asking. So you're saying mine is SG428 with W111?


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Edit: W111 is the SG Concise reference for a watermark known as "Block Cypher." The specialised number is W15. W111a is a similar but smaller type…..


I don't have my Concise in front me of, but, was wondering if you could also explain this : I believe it mentions the difference in horizontal spacing in rows of 111a vs 111 to be 12.5mm vs 14.5.

What exactly are they measuring? I don't get measurements close to that. Thank you.

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The specialised number


Where do you get the specialised number from? I've been looking for a more detailed SG catalog and seems like they have not printed a more updated one for surface printed stamps in a while. I THINK vol1 from around 2011?? Thank you again.
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Posted 01/22/2025   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It should be the vertical spacing of the watermark. So, from the bottom of the cypher to the next one,

Volume 1 is a Queen Victoria specialised catalogue. This has been split in a part 1 issued in 2020, and a part 2 that was planned for 2021.
The stamps of Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, and George VI are listed in volume 2. It, last, was published in 2015 and was reprinted, but has been out of print for some months now. Dauwalders (see link provided by GeoffHa) does not have it in stock either.
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So I do t have the catalogue in front of me now. But I know it mentioned difference in horizontal spacing. Must be a misprint. What is meant by 'cypher' - letters , crown or whole mark?

So mine must be SG428?
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So I do t have the catalogue in front of me now. But I know it mentioned difference in horizontal spacing


In mine it reads 'closer spacing of horizontal rows.' It is somewhat ambiguous.


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What is meant by 'cypher' - letters , crown or whole mark?


The "GvR" part.


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So mine must be SG428?


Yes,
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In mine it reads 'closer spacing of horizontal rows.' It is somewhat ambiguous.


either way, 12.5 to 14.5mm is a lot. I cant get that to match up period.

tks too on the 428 ID
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