Hong Kong 30c Vermillion Stamp

Not sure if this is vermillion or orange vermillion.

There are many posts on the subject of identifying 'shades' online. The bottom line is that it is impossible. What you are seeing, almost certainly, is not what I am seeing.

In addition, 'shades' are 'shade bands' and many people jump to the incorrect conclusion that two stamps that do not look alike must be two listed shades.

You are never going to be able to get a real answer to color questions like this based upon a picture on a forum. The reasons why are legion and have been discussed here ad nauseum. Black or white? Pretty straightforward. But not your question.

Sorry NSK. I was writing while you were publishing!

No problem. Hopefully, it gets the message across.

Sorry, but I wasn't asking. I learned that shades are in the eye of the beholder, and yes, the message got across. Perhaps this is the wrong forum for sharing stamps. The catalogs are only showing the two shades, and I see a lot of orange.

Here is an interesting little article involving a 30c orange vermilion:

https://www.hkpsociety.com/dummy/bl...e-vermilion/

That is orange vermillion .

Looks like a cancel was cleaned off ,plus the upper left corner perf. was added. also top row has perfs cut off . Otherwise a nice stamp .

You can use the 1885-1891 overprint of 20 cents on the 30 to verify my opinion that it is not a Vermillion . The overprint only comes in the Vermillion shade.

I collect Hong Kong stamps .

The overprint is on another colour, orange-red.

Orange -red or Vermillion depends on which catalog your using . We can get into a seperate discussion what is the name of a color between catalogs around the world .

My point is the color on the overprint is only one of the two colors that the original stamp is listed at .So let me put up what I have .

We have lengthy discussions about the folly of differentiating with any degree of accuracy between what different people see when looking at shades/hues/colors on an internet connected device and yet these topics continue to proliferate. Unless two or more examples of something are imaged physically together any differences seen are meaningless for drawing conclusions and even then no two people are seeing the same exact thing. We won't even get into lighting, software, hardware (displays etc.) Everyone knows that the "tan" sweater pictured on Amazon might be "brown" or "pink" or "what is that?!" when it arrives but think that minor color variations of stamps can be identified by pics on a forum.

PS: Don is smiling down right now and maybe even having a chuckle. Carry on.

My point, as I wrote, is that the overprinted stamp was printed in a different colour from the original stamps and not one of the two listed.

And as rogdcam points out, calling the colour from a picture on the internet is ridiculous. There is no way to ascertain what you are perceiving is what has been posted.

Having a great time this morning --laughing at this , woke up made a pepper & egg bagel sandwich , then the Disney stock continue to climb and now got great positions for the next Kelleher Collections Auction., Maybe one or two more collections at the next auction .

Even rough up three Jiu-jitsu Brown Belts yesterday ,yes all three are 30 to 40 years younger . Having a good day ,let me put something up on those stamps ..

OK ---Let's see what was said here .

"Unless two or more examples of something are imaged physically together any difference seem meaningless for drawing conclusions. "

Scott Classic Specialized only recognizes two colors here, vermilion and orange-vermilion. It says that the surcharge is on a vermilion stamp.

SG Commonwealth and BK Five Reigns agree that the surcharge is on a third color, orange-red.

Robson Lowe's Encyclopedia says that the surcharges were added to specially-printed stamps that used altered shades (which agrees with SG and BK, just with fleshed out information).

Also, RL doesn't distinguish two specific colors of the underlying stamp. It says vermilion (shades), and leaves it at that.

By the way, SG has a nice premium for FOOCHOWFOO on the surcharged stamp. Classic Specialized less so.

The first stamp looks seriously faded. Another problem with colors on 100 plus year-old stamps, especially used ones that have been through the mail and soaked.