Help Needed! Value Of These 2 Stamps

Hello everybody

I don't know about the values of these two. Any ideas?
5 Shillings is with perfins. Does it add more value?

Thanks in advance

As a general rule, a perfin will be valued less than a non perfin, but it would depend a lot on the scarcity of the perfin.

The top stamp looks like a photocopy. That stamp is supposed to be Orange.

The £5 one is not a stamp. It was cut from a catalogue or magazine and perforated. That should be "orange" and have a margin.

The 5/- is a spacefiller, It has a tear on the left, a torn perforation at right, blurry cancellation, and appears to have surface abrasions. It is worth only a few pounds.

an article about 5 Pounds
https://www.stampauctions.co.uk/cguide.htm

and one more: https://www.gbtelegraphs.com/second...ue/5-orange/

This is the best online guide to the £5 orange (not black!)

https://www.rpsl.org.uk/rpsl/Displa...1001_001.pdf

Old black and white pictures of orange stamps do not make black pieces of paper genuine stamps.

This stamp was printed in orange. NO BLACK £ 5 exists. And the telegraphs stamp is kind of recognisable as it has other wording and, again, was NOT PRINTED IN BLACK,

Also, note that the black and white printings have margins.

Yours is a wortheless piece of print and not a proof.

Even on my IPad I see the dot matrix printing of the 5 Pound. It is from a magazine.

Dear friends thanks a lot for all of the answers.

I kindly want to remind you the reason of my question: I really do not know!

I have no idea if British Government printed stamps with dot matrix or potato stamp printing once upon a time :) There are countless details and many hidden facts. It is not possible to know all of them.

I need correct information + friends + reliable resources
and this site seems I am at the right place thanks to you..

I want to have joy and learn more and more.
Best regards, cheers

If I recall correctly there were no modern printing machines in 1882, and electricity was just becoming a thing.

Here is a 5 Pound Orange from my collection.