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I never stated the obvious first answer to your title question. The biggest difference is the vast majority of printers waste does not contain TERM OF ART, philatelic "Errors." And most waste is not created by mistake, rather is it expected and normal waste from routine and normal production processes.
Edit to ask you one direct question: Can you define "error" as used in philately as a term of art in USA philately?
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| Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/16/2025 01:43 am |
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hello and thank you. I do not own the word "error" although I make errors my own. Of course you can also give another word for the opposite of printer's waste, but it is ok to me with this word. At least it also has its place in the abbreviation EFO :).
I know that my question was theoretical, but interesting though, I think. And as it is theoretical and only for learning purpose about definition / terminology (not paper or printing science), it does not matter how realistic the technical scenario is. But still: perhaps it was just not noticed that another sheet had been put in the wrong direction.
I still don't understand how the one or the other term is defined when an new stamp appears (or like my two mentioned imaginative example sheets) and there is not enough information to prove printer's waste nor error. I guess this is even the case for many similar cases in Scott catalogue. |
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After searching and reading some hours more, I would say that I agree with you :).
I don't think there is an easy answer to this. When I started I thought there could be a definition like "if there is no prove and story at all, then it is legitimate /// then it is printer's waste". But I found so many sentences in articles and auction descriptions where a stamp is "believed" to be printer's waste (or not anymore) that I think that, when I will find the all those unknown inverted center sheets, I will just keep them and be happy. |
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| Edited by littbarski - 09/16/2025 08:39 am |
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Quote: I still don't understand how the one or the other term is defined when an new stamp appears (or like my two mentioned imaginative example sheets) and there is not enough information to prove printer's waste nor error. Which is why it is difficult to have a useful conversation with you. Please, get to 50 quality posts and then enable SCF emailing. I again say, everything not as produced as specified is printer waste which should be destroyed. That is not what should be the focus, the focus was, is and will be how the subpar printer's waste (<<<Generic term) went from the printing location into the hands of collectors--At which time it becomes non-generic philatelic terms of art, either "Printer's Waste" or "Error" (as well as Freak or Oddity). |
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Quote: After searching and reading some hours more Not sure what you were reading but dollars to donuts, it was not this: Quote: Errors, Freaks and Oddities, popularly called EFOs, are the riffraff of philately. Or they can be considered great treasures, depending upon the attitude of the collector speaking. To some, they are simply defective material, no more useful or interesting than a car that doesn't work correctly, and just as infuriating. To others, it is material that exists in only small quantities, illustrates what can go wrong in the production process, and takes the collector a step beyond the printed album page to a higher level of challenge and understanding.
In earlier days, collectors gathered EFOs to dress up their traditional collections. EFO material was mounted on supplemental pages, along with interesting cancellations and other varieties. In more recent years, EFO collecting has become a respected specialty with its own national society, literature, and specialty dealers and auctioneers.
Material included under the EFO category, and within each subdivision, is covered in this essay. Here are some elementary definitions for newcomers to the field:
Errors are total mistakes: no perforations, colors completely missing, or full stamps on either side of an interpane gutter. They are often given catalog listings.
Freaks, also called "varieties" or "minor errors" by some, represent production problems that are partial or not exactly repeatable, such as paper creases, misperforations or partially missing colors.
Errors will sometimes be found within freak pieces. For instance, a paper fold (freak) may result in a miscut booklet pane containing a pair of stamps that are imperforate between (error). Or an ink fountain on a press may have run dry, depositing a minimal amount of ink on one row of stamps (freaks) and none on the adjoining row (error).
Oddities as a class include unusual variations stemming from stamp designing through the preproduction process, and even cancellation varieties. They may be normal for what they are, but tend to be found in small quantities and are of special interest because of their properties.
The first question noncollectors are likely to ask a collector is: "Do you have one of those upside-down airplane stamps?" Of course, for the most part, they will be joking, but a collector will certainly mean it if s/he answers, "No, but I wish I did!"
The fact is that few collectors can afford the $100,000 or so it takes to add a pristine copy of Scott C3a to a collection. But anyone can own eye-popping errors and freaks that cost less than $100. It's just a matter of knowing where to look.
The first place is at the post office. Considering that the U.S. Postal Service issues more than 40 billion stamps a year and retails them through 40,000 post offices, it should not be a surprise that flawed stamps reach the public.
Every printing process has waste. The equipment has to start and stop. Because the printing process has become more automated and complex, more things can go wrong. And, of course, there is the human factor: Do something late, out of sequence, or not at all, and the result is flawed printing. It's a wonder there isn't more error and freak material on the market.
Is "99.9 percent perfect" an acceptable quality level? That's a standard that even security printers can't reach. If that standard were applied in the real world, 22,000 checks would be deducted from the wrong bank accounts every hour, 12 babies would be given to the wrong parents each day and 315 words defined in Webster's Third New International Dictionary of the English Language would be misspelled.
So, look carefully at stamps bought at the post office, from vending machines or at the supermarket checkout counter. And be alert for the person in line who is returning defective stamps and wants to trade them in "for good ones." It happens.
The next place to look is in old stamp collections - both albums and accumulations. It is amazing what has passed through many hands and before many eyes without being appreciated for what it is. This is true for many areas of the hobby but especially for EFOs.
The key is to learn about what exists. For special areas of interest, it is worthwhile to go through Scott and other catalogs and note the listed errors. The exercise gives an appreciation of color errors, perforation varieties, bicolor inverts and other flaws. Collectors who have a list in hand have a distinct advantage when visiting dealers' tables at shows or when looking at society circuit books and at auction lots. No one, including dealers, can know everything about every stamp.
There is also a brisk trade in EFOs that have been identified by others. Increasingly, dealers and auctioneers are seeking EFO material and including it in their offerings. A few well-known dealers and auctioneers aggressively advertise themselves as EFO specialists, and new discoveries and established collections tend to flow to them.
Looking at an auction catalog from Jacques C. Schiff Jr. might leave the impression that a huge amount of EFO material is in the marketplace. What it really means is that Schiff was a pioneer in this field and has built up a serious client base that generates bids. The result is that he consistently has a large EFO section in his auctions.
Those interested in buying and selling EFOs can find advertisements of EFO dealers and auctioneers in the major stamp weeklies and in many other philatelic publications.
They can also learn more about EFOs and how the EFO marketplace works by joining the EFO Collectors' Club, an affiliate member of the American Philatelic Society, which also has its own quarterly auction for members. For information, write to Stan Raugh, Secretary, EFO Collectors' Club, 4217 8th Avenue, Temple, PA 19560.
What follows is a listing of the various types of EFOs with an emphasis on U.S. material. The list has been developed by Linn's U.S. Notes columnist John M. Hotchner. A few explanatory notes and value concepts are provided for each category. There is no way to be comprehensive for all examples in each category or over the entire world. Thus these notes will include only one or two examples from U.S. philately for the most part. Valuation of EFOs is complicated. The best references are current catalogue listings and auction realizations. The value notations here are general. Actual value may increase or decrease based upon factors such as condition (exceptional, or minor flaw) the relative complexity and "visualness" of the item, and the subject content of the design. With regard to the latter, popular themes (space, baseball, etc.) will tend to push the price up.
Bear in mind that any group from these listings can be collected as a specialty, or a collector can try to obtain an example from each group. Some EFO collectors restrict their collecting to specific stamps, issues or eras. Others simply accumulate and enjoy whatever comes their way, with no particular rhyme or reason.
There is no right or wrong way. Whatever the method, your satisfaction is the only thing that counts. Nor this: Quote: Errors Errors are the blue bloods of EFO collecting. Because many are listed in catalogs, they are sought after and generally trade at higher prices than freaks or oddities. The price for any given item depends upon its popularity and the number of examples that are known - in other words, supply and demand. Some are plentiful. An example is the imperforate-between 1 1/2˘ St. Louis precancel of the 1938 Presidential series. A pair can run as little as $10. But the Inverted Jenny, of which only only 100 copies were produced, can cost 10,000 times that. The most reliable information on pricing is from catalog listings and from current auction realizations. It should also be noted that where money is to be made, there are those who will manipulate the product to cash in on it. Buyers are well-advised to require or obtain a certificate of authenticity on expensive material from a recognized stamp expertizing organization before concluding a deal.
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The imperforate between Scott 805b 1 1/2˘ St. Louis precancel of the 1938 Presidential series is an example of a relatively inexpensive error.
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Thank you, interesting. But what if the following is not known or no prove for it (isn't this the case from time to time? Actually I really thought that there are such examples) ? Quote: That is not what should be the focus, the focus was, is and will be how the subpar printer's waste (<<<Generic term) went from the printing location into the hands of collectors What would you call the new found sheet of inverted centers (just an example, could also be stamps from another country and from the 1970s) ? When I started the topic I would have said that in this case it is a legitimate error :), unless the opposite can be proven. But it seems more complicated. And well, probably in addition it will depend on the jurisdiction of the specific country and its postal law. So after all I have learned a lot but I really think that there will be no short and easy answer, but it will depend on the real case then (and well I still have no error candidate at all here). Thank you again and hopefully this was interesting for some others, too :). |
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Quote: EFOs, are the riffraff of philately. Or they can be considered great treasures, depending upon the attitude of the collector speaking. To some, they are simply defective material, no more useful or interesting than a car that doesn't work correctly, and just as infuriating. To others, it is material that exists in only small quantities, illustrates what can go wrong in the production process, and takes the collector a step beyond the printed album page to a higher level of challenge and understanding. I emphasize the above and say to you, your opinion will not change the meaning of those words. It is up to you and you alone to determine where you fit on the continuum of collector's opinions. Quote: Buyers are well-advised to require or obtain a certificate of authenticity on expensive material from a recognized stamp expertizing organization before concluding a deal. There is the reason your examples DON"T work. No auction firm or article writer alone determines the bifurcated choice of error/printer's waste as terms of art. Additionally you do not understand the expertizing process and outcome. As to outcome for any question there are three: 1. Yes 2. No 3. No opinion Yes is easy, no is easy; but alas you are asking (demanding?) for yeses and noes without regard that such does not exist for #3. To put it in plain English, the "no opinion" means we, as experts do not know or we can't agree. That does NOT mean it is no good,nor does it mean it should be sorta-maybe okay. Bottom line is the value of the item is in the eye of the beholder. As you will not place a value on the material, for you there is no correct answer, it is all worthless in your eyes and all should have been thrown away. Should you find any such material, go toss it out, finish the job the printer overlooked. Edit to add:  See post below.... |
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| Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/16/2025 9:26 pm |
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This would be an interesting topic from any expertizing organization, to write an article about how they work and decide if a new find is printer's waste or not. I just looked a bit in the PF certificate search and saw quite a few examples, some printer's waste, some not. Would really be interesting to know the guidelines for expertising these stamps, what steps are needed or what they certify (or not) when not enough information is there. |
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Quote: I again say, everything not as produced as specified is printer waste which should be destroyed. That is not what should be the focus, the focus was, is and will be how the subpar printer's waste (<<<Generic term) went from the printing location into the hands of collectors--At which time it becomes non-generic philatelic terms of art, either "Printer's Waste" or "Error" (as well as Freak or Oddity). Don't agree. By your definition "everything not as produced as specified is printer waste", all EFOs are printers waste. Just because it "should be destroyed" dies not make it waste. Waste is waste. If it makes it into the waste stream, then it becomes waste and if it makes it from there into the market we call it printer's waste. If it gets by the inspectors and makes it to a post office, we call ir an EFO. |
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littbarski - you want a simple clear cut answer to when a new non-standard item shows up in the market, how do we know it it is waste or an EFO. Sometimes the answer is known, often not. In the latter case, the market tends to treat is as an EFO. Innocent until prove guilty. |
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Quote: Don't agree. By your definition "everything not as produced as specified is printer waste", all EFOs are printers waste. Just because it "should be destroyed" dies not make it waste. Waste is waste. If it makes it into the waste stream, then it becomes waste and if it makes it from there into the market we call it printer's waste. If it gets by the inspectors and makes it to a post office, we call ir an EFO. Did I really need  eyeonwall? Edit to say: I would have added another cow joke here, but did not want to milk it. |
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| Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/16/2025 9:24 pm |
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