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Posted 05/09/2015   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Do you know any of the engravers for the rest of the set? (China 1946)

jjarmstrong47, I don't have that information yet. But I will try to get it!

PERU 1895
Liberty Seated

Printed by American Bank Note co.

Vignette engraved by CHARLES SKINNER (1841-1932)
Frame & lettering engraved by GEORGE H. SEYMOUR



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Posted 05/12/2015   01:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jorgesurcl. Your information continues to amaze me. I'm now adding the early United Nations stamps to the database but apart from the ones that you have added to this thread, I only have names for the designers. De La Rue used the excuse that all their factory records were destroyed when they were bombed but these are from the fifties and sixties and still the catalogues don't have the information. It gets pretty frustrating at times.
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Posted 05/18/2015   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been adding some Laotian stamps to the database lately and I really like this set. They were issued in 1963 for the Freedom From Hunger initiative and show a fisherman and three stages in rice production. SG128-131 Scott 85-88


Laotian fisherman casting net.


Ploughing the paddy field and planting out rice


Mother with sleeping baby harvesting the rice with a sickle.


Threshing the grain.

All the stamps were designed by Chamnane Prisayane who drew many stamps for Laos. Despite searching, I have not been able to find out anything about this artist.

The stamps were engraved in France by Roger Fenneteaux, Jean Miermont, Charles Mazelin and Jean Pheulpin and were printed by the French Government Printer.
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Posted 05/18/2015   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This set is also available in at least two imperf sheets.

I have the more common one without text. Laos has issued some beautiful sets.

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Posted 05/18/2015   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Neeskens13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those stamps are stunningly beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 05/18/2015   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So many nice stamps and skilled engravers. My contribution is Czeslaw Slania's 1000th stamp (apologize if this already in this thread, I did not visit all posts...).



The engraving is copying a piece of a painting by Kloecker Ehrenstrajls, illustrating achievements by old kings of Sweden. The stamp is actually part of a miniature sheet issued in 2000 to commemorate Czeslaw Slania - and not the kings of Sweden! Czeslaw was certainly the king among engravers.
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Posted 05/19/2015   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Without doubt, Slania is worth collecting though the prices some people are asking these days make me glad I bought "before the rush".

One piece well worth looking out for is the engraving that he did for his eightieth birthday. He wanted to do a stamp of a painting of the death of king Gustav II Adolf in 1632 but Sweden has a policy of not showing war scenes on their stamps.

A compromise was found with the Swedish Post agreeing to print a souvenir engraving for the event. This allowed him to work on a larger scale and the engraving is about 75mm wide. Apparently, it took him six months to complete. The detail is amazing. Even when I blow it up to A3 size I find new things all the time. Enough talking! Here it is.



You can look more closely at the detail by holding the CTRL key down and either pressing "+" or rolling the wheel on your mouse.
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Posted 05/19/2015   05:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jjarmstrong - very nice indeed!
I am wondering - how do you manage to get so much details on an image that must be smaller than the limit of 300kb?
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Posted 05/21/2015   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aamerjamal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
is it me or doesn't anyone else realized that more the color they introduced the quality of works goes down with it. I kinda like mono color or max 2-3 colors engraved stamps rest are just so so....
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Posted 05/22/2015   07:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree entirely and I find the modern combinations of recess and colour by litho or photo to be inferior to what went before. It is mainly about cost. In the past engravers were allowed time to produce works of art. Now it is product.
To illustrate the point, here is the Slania 1000th stamp, taken from the black print. This is what the stamp would have looked like in one colour. I prefer it but the final stamp looks more like the painting and I suppose that was the idea.



To answer your query about the images, the clarity is not restricted by the size but by the number of dots per inch (dpi). To get better detail you need to increase the dpi when you scan.

We were told only a few years back that to get the best scans we should scan at 72dpi. That may have been true of the old CRT screens but we now have high definition large screens that were not even imagined back then. I try to future proof my scans by scanning at the highest resolution my scanner will allow.

As my budget is limited, I have to use ingenuity rather than money. My current three way printer scans but only up to 300dpi but a friend was throwing away a perfectly good Epson Stylus RX530 because he said the ink was too expensive and he bought a different printer.

I grabbed it because they have an excellent scanner. If a stamp is small, I can scan up to 9600dpi but for a larger one like the Slania above there are still tricks you can try to get the same quality.

If I tried to scan something that big at 9600dpi my computer would go into a sulk and sit there for several days trying to decide whether to accommodate me or not. I scanned this at 2400dpi which it was very happy about and gave me a scan that was roughly 4500 pixels high.

As the board limit is around 800 it would not be acceptable but the Epson also allows you to adjust the size and the dpi before saving. It will happily convert to 800px x 9600dpi giving me a scan with more detail than most people can see.

On the 21 inch screen that I use, the difference between 1200dpi and 4800dpi is not visible until you blow it up to the full screen. The next generation of collectors with their wall size screens (like my son now) will be able to blow my HD scans up to full screen and still see all the details while images done at today's standards (around 300) will be fuzzy and blurred.

What is really amazing was that the old hand engravers were able to get that much detail into their images in the first place without being "computer assisted".
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Posted 06/06/2015   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CHILE 1911

Columbus
Printed by American Bank Note Co.

Vignette engraved by ELIE TIMOTHEE LOIZEAUX (1873-1956)
Frame & Lettering engraved by GEORGE H. SEYMOUR

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Posted 06/07/2015   06:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jorgesurcl
I have that stamp in the database but with no details. Now I can add them.
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Posted 06/07/2015   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jjarmstrong47, in 1912 (Sept.) was issued a similar stamp, but in red and with value of 2 cents.
The dies were the same therefore the engravers were LOIZEAUX and SEYMOUR



But in this case the numerals "2" and the word "centavos" were re-engraved by JOHN O'BRIEN

John O'Brien joined American Bank Note Co. on 14 Dec. 1911...and died 12 Apr. 1913.
There are very few works attributed to him.
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Posted 06/12/2015   06:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jorgesurcl.

I have never quite understood how they did that. It is easy to understand when there was a blank value tablet and they had a fixed space but when you look at those two stamps, the background lines go right up to both numerals.

Did they remove part of the stamp and replace it with new metal then work in from the existing design?

They obviously had a lot of tricks up their sleeves - and all this was before photoshop.
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Posted 06/20/2015   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just loaded these onto the database today and as I thought they were quite beautiful, I thought I'd add them here. My apologies if they have already been shown. They are from Liberia in 1942 but the only details I have is that they were produced by the American Bank Note Company. If anyone knows more, please add it here.


Royal Antelope


Water Chevrotain


Jentink's (White Shouldered) Duiker


Harnessed Antelope or Bushbuck


Banded Duiker or Zebra Antelope


Bay-thighed Diana Monkey.
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