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Posted 02/01/2016   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I can't find any info on Olinowetz doing the frame of the Mozart stamp. Did you get that from Michel as well?


Yes

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Posted 02/01/2016   4:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few more I received from approvals.

Ecuador 1892

Scott 27



Engraver ?



The footnote in Scott mentions that issues of 1892,1894 & 1896
were printed by the Hamilton Bank Note Co.to the order of
N.F. Seebeck who held a contract for stamps with the
government of Ecuador.

Ecuador 1894

Scott 40



Ecuador 1895

Scott 47



I think the two above are reprints since the paper appears to
be thick but I don't have any others for comparison.


Ecuador 1896

Scott 56

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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:07 pm
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Posted 02/01/2016   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The footnote in Scott mentions that issues of 1892,1894 & 1896
were printed by the Hamilton Bank Note Co.to the order of
N.F. Seebeck who held a contract for stamps with the
government of Ecuador.


It seems that Seebeck must have pulled the same stunt with several countries. In a way it is no different to the companies that print the modern wallpaper stamps for various countries. Perhaps he was just ahead of his time.

At least the Seebeck stamps had quality.
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Posted 02/01/2016   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since we have been discussing multiple engravers working
on one stamp I would like to include Canada in this.

The majority of engraved stamps in the 1950s and sixties
were the combined effort by two engravers.

In most cases it was Yves Baril who engraved the
picture/vignette/portrait and Gordon Mash
or Donald Mitchell engraved the lettering.
All this information is include in
The Unitrade Specialized Catalogue Of Canadian Stamps

I believe they got that information from the
Canadian Postal Archives site.http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/...80608_e.html

This 1955 Canadian stamp issued for the 50th Anniversary
of the creation of the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan
was engraved by Yves Baril and lettering engraved by
John F.Mash

There is some good, additional information about this stamp on
AKPhilately's blog Stamp Engravers http://stampengravers.blogspot.ca/2...il-yves.html

Canada 1955

Scott/Unitrade 355



There is a wealth of information on the Canada Archives site.

Various die proof, colour trials







Approved colour

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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:09 pm
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Posted 02/01/2016   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the next Canadian stamp, Silas Robert Allen engraved
the picture and Yves Baril engraved the globes.
BTW this was the first 2 colour engraved stamp since
the Royal Visit set of 1939.

Canada 1955

Scott/Unitrade 356



Some additional info from Archives Canada http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/n...G&SECT3=POST

Click on Documents related to this stamp and then
go to the various Production listings which have an X beside them.

Progressive die proofs





Approved die


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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:13 pm
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Posted 02/01/2016   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is one one my favourite stamps, so simple,
yet it kind of reminds me of a Canada 60 years ago.
I guess polar bears were on peoples minds when they
thought about Canada in the ealy fifties.
Vast empty frozen spaces inhabited by numerous wildlife,
pulp and paper industry, furs, fishing, mining and oil.
All those were actually portrayed on Canadian stamps
in that era.

Canada 1953

Scott/Unitrade 322

Designed by John Alexander Crosby

Picture engraved by Silas Robert Allen

Neither Unitrade nor the Archives mention any
engraver for the lettering.




There are some more engraved wildlife stamps on a thread
called Canadian Hidden Dates & Designer's Initials
https://goscf.com/t/10808&whichpage...hidden,dates

All pics below are from the Canadian Postal Archives
http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/n...G&SECT3=POST

Photograph , approved model , black and white . ;13.0 x 11.5 cm



Progressive die proof , photograph, steel engraving and ink , black and white . ;25 x 20 mm



Block (40 postage stamps) , plate proof , steel engraving , deep blue . ;20.8 x 9.2 cm

I would love to have this block in my collection.



Die proof,steel engraving , deep blue .


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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:15 pm
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Posted 02/02/2016   03:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AKPhilately to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's all beautiful material you're showing, lithograving, thanks. Love the polar bear stamp! I've tried decyphering what it says on the progressive die proof (something about a separate box?) but I've never been very good at reading others' handwriting. Any 'experts' around?
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Posted 02/02/2016   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
AKPhilately, the writing says
The letters in "Canada" should appear in the sky as though on a separate box


It's all here on the this page.Text on the Item:

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/n...G&SECT3=ITLV
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Posted 02/02/2016   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not certain whether the Czech Printing Works had seperate
engravers for vignette and frame but I believe these two
were designed and engraved solely by Josef Hercik


Czechoslovakia 1967

Scott 1471-1472

One colour Rotary Recess Print



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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:19 pm
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Posted 02/02/2016   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Czechoslovakia 1967

Scott 1489

13th Congress of Astronomical Union

Designer : Jaroslav Lukavsky

Engraver : Ladislav Jirka

Printing : 3 colour recess print from flat plates.


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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:21 pm
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Posted 02/02/2016   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Czechoslovakia 1968

50th Anniversary of the State of Czechoslovakia.

Scott 1515

Designer : Karel Svolinsky

Engraver : Ladislav Jirka

Printing : 3 colour recess print from flat plates.

This stamp could have been just as well have been printed
via photogravure (probably better) but I suppose they had to keep all the engravers employed.


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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:23 pm
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Posted 02/02/2016   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Czechoslovakia 1970

EXPO 70 International Exhibition, Osaka, Japan

Scott 1674 - 1676

Printing : 1 colour rotary recess printing combined with
2 or 3 colour photogravure.

Designer : Karel Vodak

Scott 1674

Engraver : Ladislav Jirka




Scott 1675

Engraver : Jan Mracek



Scott 1676

Engraver : Jindra Schmidt




Scott 1677

Designer : Karel Vodak

Engraver : Bedrich Housa

Printing : Multicolour recess print from flat plates






Scott 1678 - 1679

Engraver : Josef Hercik





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Edited by lithograving - 10/12/2019 10:27 pm
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Posted 02/03/2016   02:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
L.J.Mills' handwriting cannot always be called neat, so we have to be thankful to the National Archives of Canada's experts.

Still, one important word is missing and that word is not: The letters in "Canada" should appear in ?the? sky not as though in a separate box.
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Posted 02/03/2016   05:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Quote from your post of yesterday 4:12 pm: "I'm not certain whether the Czech Printing Works had seperate engravers for vignette and frame but I believe these two were designed and engraved solely by Josef Hercik".

The exceptions include some miniature sheets such as
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...ta-gottwalda
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...twalda-arsik
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...a-1952-arsik
where lettering and decorations were engraved by Jaroslav Goldschmied.

See also the engravings by Jaroslav Goldschmied for the second colour printed by photogravure described in your post of 05/18/2013 4:16 pm on p.117 of this thread.

Also, some of the decorative tabs attached to commemoratives were engraved by engravers different from those who engraved the respective stamps.

Jiøí (Antonín) Švengsbír engraved the tabs for the following isssues:
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...eho-vojtecha Always open the illustrated supplements below.
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...fana-moysese
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...zskeho-snemu
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...ix-sjezd-ksc

Ladislav Jirka engraved the tabs for
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...let-portrety

and Bohdan Roule engraved the tab for
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...uvy-csr-sssr
(This one does not appear in the supplement.)



Incidentally, Jiøí Švengsbír had certain stamps in long sets, which he had designed, engraved by his colleagues even though their names did not appear on the stamps. Their respective engravers were mentioned in the Post Office gazette. See
http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky.../1966-motyli
Jiøí Švengsbír (30 h, 1 Kès, 1.20 Kès, 2 Kès), Josef Herèík (60 h, 80 h).

http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...ni-a-portaly
Jiøí Švengsbír (40 h, 1 Kès, 1.80 Kès), Josef Herèík (60 h), Bedøich Housa (1.60 Kès) a Miloš Ondráèek (1.40 Kès).

http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...razske-mosty
Jiøí Švengsbír (20 h, 40 h, 1 Kès, 2 Kès, 3 Kès), Josef Herèík (5.40 Kès).

Thank you very much for your excellent high-definition images.
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Edited by florian - 02/04/2016 04:31 am
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Posted 02/03/2016   2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian you are right of course as usual.

The not changes the whole meaning of the sentence
and makes sense now.

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Also thanks for reminding me about the Czechoslovakian
stamps which involved 2 engravers.

As noted on page 117 of this thread here is one of the stamps
mentioned.


Czechoslovakia 1967

Scott 1497



Note the initials B.H.-J.G on the lower right stand
for the two engravers Bedrich Housa and Jaroslav Goldschmied


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