Five Hole Official Perforated Issues?

I could not find these two in the Unitrade catalog. Forgeries? (I know that forgeries of these stamps exist.)

The first one appears to be a #116 - 10c plum (brown purple) by color I see on screen. No matches to it in catalogue, so probable fake.

They do list a 108 bistre-brown, definetly not color you show; as 5 hole 08-118 @$30cdn.

As for the #227 Champlain issue, that also is not listed in the catalogue. So apparently another fake.

Could either of you explain what makes these (fakes?) 5 hole perfins when there are obviously more than 5 holes making each letter?

As for whether they are 4 or 5 hole perfins, look at the verticle bars of any of the H or M in OHMS. If there are 4 holes per leg , its 4 hole perfin; if 5 per leg, than its a 5 hole perfin.

As to whether the issue is a fake or not, there is a statement made in the catalogue regarding new findings and studies, which has caused several "not officially produced" issues to be removed from catalogue listings.

Edit- spelling correction

Thank you.

after reading this post,..and so that I understand....the stamps themselves are genuine but the perfins (being 5 hole perfins) are fake thereby make the entire stamp fake, correct?

Bobcat, legit stamps with perfins added later making them fake. Obviously, to con collectors for money.

Ok, got it....thanks No1philatelist.