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Held For Postage - Use Parcel Post Stamps

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Posted 05/26/2026   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ZebraMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey Parcelpostguy (or anyone else who can explain), I saw this cover in Rumsey's auction today (sale 134 lot 2457). The aux marking label says "Held for Postage - Use Parcel Post Stamps". The cover has 5 ordinary two-cent stamps, then with 2¢ and 5¢ Parcel Post stamps pasted on top.

The description says "A great rarity as from January 1 to end of June 1913 only parcel post stamps could be used to pay fourth class postage".

I guess my question is, what is the indication that this was a 3rd or 4th class letter requiring 7 cents Parcel Post postage and not a first class letter (ten cents for 5 ounces at 2 cents per ounce)?
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Posted 05/26/2026   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ZebraMan, this is what I wrote in reply to a friend's inquiry, actually over time, several inquiries from different friend. The most recent was regarding the Boston auction carrying it as a lot.

This is copied from my email sent in reply:



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My comments:

I do not understand what Parcel Post contents made this parcel post. I have not seen the back to tell if attached to a larger envelope.

During the time period 1-1-1913 through 6-30-1913 zone 3 one pound is the only way to make 7 cents PP postage.

This item is being priced as if a January usage, but it is wholly undated. Both stamps were available from 1-1-1913.

Except on this cover, I have never seen a similar label. Used in NYC I would expect other examples to have surfaced. **

The real issue I have are the coils, all five makes it 10 cents in applied postage. If mean to pay PP postage rates, it is over paid for1 lb (7c), and underpaid for 2LBs (12c).

If the coils were paying five ounces of 1st class, you could still send PP matter uprated to 1st class, no PP stamps required. If the 10 cents was intended for PP only 2lbs zone 2 would work. BUT as the 7c PP indicates this was a 1 lb zone three. Crow fly distance between NYC and Utica is 176+miles. **

Never sent in for a certificate for such an item being shopped at four figure prices it was listed/sold for.

As to the NYC cancels, Ken L could do a verification of validity.

If you contact Ken,you can share my observations.

The ** indicates my two biggest concerns. If this came to me for an opinion, the opinion would be "no opinion" based upon the above but I would get to look at the back.

So, does this help?


Take care,

Dan



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There was no evidence of it being attached to a package, or any backstamp with date. Very unusual item, but I agree, most likely not a genuine parcel post use.


There you have likely the top two stamp students of the issues present on that cover talking about the cover.

Also as the SCF has many Dans already, PPG (parcelpostguy) works better.

As to this particular cover, I have followed it in several auctions and had it offered to me by a dealer between actions. If I thought it was good, no one would have seen it again unless I felt like showing them. I have always been a philatelic black hole -- what comes in here is never seen again.

Edited for a missing space between two words.

Lastly I sent you a message via SCF messaging. Check spam filter.
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Posted 05/26/2026   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A close study of the New York double oval cancels is in order.
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Posted 05/26/2026   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Received your note, thanks. Fascinating to hear that you too are stumped about the usage. Unless another one is found and/or certified, we may never know.
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Posted 05/26/2026   11:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Item is set to close tomorrow, Wednesday the 27th. Open still sits at the minimum.
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Posted 05/27/2026   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hammered today for $1100.
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Posted 05/28/2026   11:02 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure? Both SAN and the Rumsey website are showing it as a passed lot.
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Posted 05/29/2026   12:00 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The coils don't appear to have their own cancel before the parcel post stamps were added. I don't know if this is relevant.
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Posted 05/29/2026   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I am sure that was what was shown on SAN about 20 minutes prior to my post. Rumsey's PRs in their catalog stalled between 2428 and 2429 which is why I went to SAN.

Now as you say, both show as passed. My guess is an error was corrected. I was surprised it sold at all, especially at four figures.

I mentioned before that the cancellations should be looked at for the reasons I mentioned and I will now add, because a very valuable PP cover which sold once at about $40,000 was a faked cover using a false duplex cancel. That device was slightly the wrong size and the station shown on the device was dated during the two weeks or so the office was closed while being relocated in San Francisco.
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Posted 05/29/2026   12:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The coils don't appear to have their own cancel before the parcel post stamps were added. I don't know if this is relevant.


If known to have been Parcel Post when mailed AND IF mailed from 1-1-1913 through 6-30-1913 then the coils would (should) not be cancelled as they were not valid for postage.

Another fine point to check is if NYC Station 2 (based upon cancellation) possessed a PO Box 1081. If it was from a different office then the usual held for postage markings including date held are not there.


Edited for missing "ed."
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Posted 05/29/2026   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I remember seeing Richard Frajola post this same cover probably last fall somewhere. I believe he also stated it was the first and only one he had handled. Perhaps Rumsey sent it to him prior to the sale?
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Posted 05/29/2026   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like the shape of the inner ovals in either cancel.
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Posted 05/29/2026   12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This cover was around for a handful of years, stallzer, first at auction (Harmers?) where it was sold with the then top PP/PPD collectors passing. I then next saw it as a direct to me private treaty item from Frajola. It was also included in the net price sales mentioned here: https://goscf.com/t/90510&whichpage=1#841837 in his post in the thread. All sale pages unavailable.

At this point, Richard was the last known owner and as being unsold, may be returned to him by Rumsey.
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Posted 05/29/2026   7:06 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If known to have been Parcel Post when mailed AND IF mailed from 1-1-1913 through 6-30-1913 then the coils would (should) not be cancelled as they were not valid for postage.


if known at the time of mailing, then no need for the "hold for postage" marking, just add the PP stamps and charge the mailer
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just add the PP stamps and charge the mailer


It would take a really trusting clerk and a well known sender to have the clerk (USPOD) front the 7c and expect to collect the amount later. The policy is to collect the money from the sender before the item is sent on its way.

Also when returned for postage to the sender, some pealed off the stamps for use on a different letter before adding the PP stamps.
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Posted 05/29/2026   10:35 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is not what I meant. I was assuming by "if known at the time of mailing" meant that the sender was there at a PO.
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