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1860 Old Civil War Letters / Covers/ Pink Stamps??

 
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Posted 10/13/2012   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add UFOAirMail to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello there everyone..I might have something here,but this time I dont want to j8ump the gun..Can you guys please have a good look at these and let me know if those 2 stamps in there are the pink ones..one top right stamp and the centre stamp looks very different in color,not pink but purple almost??Thank you as always for yyour help everyone I really do appreciate it
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Posted 10/13/2012   2:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will leave to those much more experienced than I am in identifying those classic stamps as to colors.

What I was particularly interested in is the cover postmarked Wilbraham, Ms. (the old abbreviation for Massachusetts) and as addressed to Luther White at Brown University, Providence, RI.

The cover you scanned dates back to when Luther White (1841-1914) was a student in the early 1860s and he went on to earn a Ph.D. and later became a Judge in Massachusetts:

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Posted 10/13/2012   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow now that is very interesting! You know I did research late last night on the first letter addressed to Alphonse Stephani
I googled his name and it actually came up and he was member here~
http://www2.hsp.org/collections/Bal...society.html

he dealt wine and alcohol ..I read down for about 10 minutes and finally found his name and this is what it said~
Sounds like they have all of the letters from all memebers and such neatly put away if you read it all and they may be very interested in knowing I have a missing letter to the collection they have

Estates

The French Benevolent Society was a charitable organization. Some of the interesting highlights of Boxes 3-5 are the Estate materials. In Box 3, Folder 15 are the materials from the Estate of Lucy Kille, a wealthy woman who left money to several Philadelphia charities, including the French Benevolent Society. Box 4, Folder 5 contains materials concerning the estate of Alphonse Stephani, imprisoned in Attica. Stephani's father was a wine merchant in Philadelphia, and a subscribing member of the Society. The French Benevolent Society filed a petition on his behalf in the New York State Supreme Court, and although it was denied, Stephani did not forget them, and, before a codicil was included, under certain circumstances, they were to have received income from his estate. Whenever a society member or other individual left money to the Society, the correspondence, and often a copy of the will, are included in the folder. Generally, a "lost" heir will appear, and this interesting correspondence is also included. The society always checked their authenticity before addressing these people or giving them information about the deaths. The Manuel Waldteufel estate (Box 4, Folder 25) and the Blanc folders (Box 5, Folders 6-7) contain the largest amount of such materials. The estate of Victor Archambault (Box 5, Folder 5) was contested and this folder contains a copy of the case itself Box 4, Folders 16, and 45 and Box 5, Folders 8, 10, 11, 15-18 are also estate materials.
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Posted 10/13/2012   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most of the letters have contents inside them,I scanned and should post if anyone is interested in reading them?
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Posted 10/13/2012   3:49 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
UFOAIRMAIL---
Only stamp you have there that has a chance to be one of the pinks is the cover with the Frankfort, KY cancel. I can't see the year date. If it is 1861, you definitely have a pink or rose pink. If it is something other than 1861, it is not.

The Nashville cover is from '64, can not possibly be pink, but it could be a "pinkish rose". Has to be an early issue to be pink, as the pinks were only printed during August of '61. Pinks can be found on cover as late as early spring of '62, but if it's later than that, it's about 1,000,000 to 1 that it would be certified as pink.

You can look for other older posts of mine, and find the description of "Brooklyn Pink" and some other details.

Good luck on the Frankfort cover-- hope it's '61.
Hope this helps, Ray
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Posted 10/13/2012   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like letter inside is dated 11861 but man its hard to read Their writing,,I will post asap..what would the pink frankfurt be worth appox if it were pink,,which pink?? and would it be more collectibe on the cover or off?
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Posted 10/13/2012   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
in scotts it has 3 diff pinks listed ,,now what?? Which darn pink,,is it just pink,or pigeon blood pink or rose pink..anyone ever see a pigeon pink??

Ok heres the letter thats inside..looks like 1861,










looks like 1861, with comma next to it lower to pause and continue with letter,,what do you guys think,,touchdown or fumble heheh??
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Posted 10/13/2012   4:24 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It isn't pigeon blood pink.

It's much better on cover...that's the only way you can prove it's 1861, which is important when it's certified.

If you want to know the color, my suggestion to you would be to have it expertized. If you want to sell it, you'll want a full cert-- with a color certificate, it would cost you $25 with Bill Weiss.

If you don't plan to sell it, an ID from Weiss is $5 (it might be $10 now), and for members through APS it's $5.

Good luck! Ray
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Posted 10/13/2012   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ray I have a 2002 catalog what do you think it s worth if pink in 2012?
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Posted 10/13/2012   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How would I go about getting it ID from Weiss Ray? I would like to do this

Would sending him this picture be good or need to send all the pictures I can?


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Posted 10/13/2012   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1864 cover from Nashville, Tennessee, caught my eye, as I first thought it should have had a Confederate stamp. However, a little research showed that Nashville was one of the first Confederate cities to fall (in 1862) and that the city was firmly in Union hands after that date, so the U.S. stamp is completely normal.
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Posted 10/13/2012   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UFOAirMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Color is really odd I isnt it or nah?
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Posted 10/13/2012   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it says 1864 to me.
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Posted 10/13/2012   8:49 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jeff, me also.....I think it's 1864.

To UFOAIRMAIL-- you would need to send the cover to Bill Weiss. You can't make a color judgement from a picture-- he would need to have the stamp in hand.

here is his website:

http://www.stampexpertizing.com/

Hope this helps, Ray
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