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Tricks For Identifying Grills On Early Us?

 
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Posted 11/10/2012   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Scanstamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'll start by saying that I am a relative novice at classic US-- although a 45-year collector in my primary areas of interest.

That said, I am somewhat confounded by the grills on older US. I've been trying to sort my late stepdad's messy accumulation/collection(s) of US, which includes a fair number (100s, if not 1000s) of classics. I find it very difficult to identify grills, especially the ones that seem "weak" (not sure if they just ARE that way, or the stamps were ironed, or what?).

Naked eye with a magnifyer is tough; 1200dpi scans are helpful, but tend to lack contrast.

So I put it to the experts here-- are there any "tricks" (scanner, or otherwise) to bring up the contrast so the grills are more readily visible? Seems to me that working from a large acreen image would be easier than looking at the stamp "live," with a magnifyer? I read "carbon powder" somewhere, but how exactly does that work-- and how do you not mess up the stamps? I read "light at a shallow angle," but how do you take a picture of that? Or do you just look under the magnifyer and hope you count right? Are there ways you can use the FRONT of the stamp (colors, design detail) to make the assessment?

I've poked around this topic a bit before... and there seems to be a bit of a "Well, it's always going to be the cheapest one, so don't bother" attitude among many collectors... I wonder why? How do the rarities get FOUND, if people "don't bother?" Or is the assumption that every single US no. 85 (for example) has "already been found and accounted for?"

Any help and explanations are most welcome!

~Peter
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Posted 11/10/2012   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One "trick" to bring up the contrast is to rub a graphite pencil back and forth across a scrap of paper, rub your finger over the markings, and then transfer the graphite to the grilled area of the stamp by lightly rubbing your finger over it.



Sometimes placing the stamp in watermark fluid will help bring out the grill.



Manipulating an image of the stamp by increasing the contrast in photo editing software may also help with identification.



In regard to your question about how rarities get found, here is one story: https://goscf.com/t/14821#14821

Steve
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Posted 11/10/2012   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not subscribe to the theory that everything has been found. Frankly, I know all sorts of collectors that rarely check anything.

If nobody ever checked, then we wouldn't know about inverted watermarks on otherwise common Ceylon stamps of the KGVI era (for example). Looking through an envelope of a couple hundred Ceylon definitives for an inverted watermark is not everyone's idea of fun, but I'm glad some are doing it.
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Pretty well any grill excites me although most that I have are F's . Anything I've learned about grills has all come from here so a quick search will bring up many threads including a couple about absence of. Of course the easiest way is counting points but I believe more attention on measurements is a better ID. Each different grill has a basic foot print so you may not be able to actually count points but a precise measurement if you can tell where the edge of each side is will ID for you. Good luck and please post pics as you go.
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Posted 11/10/2012   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I know all sorts of collectors that rarely check anything.


I hate to admit it, but I'm one of those collectors. I have many US Stamps with Grills and have looked at maybe 2 or 3 of them. I just assume I have the most common type. Watermarks ? rarely ever look at Watermarks.
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