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Posted 11/11/2012   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add leoh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm not sure of the following stamp. I'm wondering if it's a 554c or a 595. It's very difficult for me to measure and also difficult to line up the stamp with the Specialty Gauge on the scanner. If you look at the upper left corner, it lines up OK at that point. It then touches the heavy line to the right, meaning it's a rotary press, right? or not? Also, notice it does NOT touch the bottom heavy line. In other words, it's wider than a 554 but not taller. Scott's says a 595 is 19 3/4 x 22 1/4. Does a 595 need to be both wide and tall? I thought just one direction since the plate is only curved in one direction. Finally, I have read that coils (554c) can also be a bit wider. Please help! Thanks.

(Edit Note: I meant booklet, not coil... thanks, chasa)

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Posted 11/11/2012   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
595's need to be wide only... the BOOKLETS are often a lttle wider too, so they can be hard to identify.
This looks like a 554 booklet single to me, but impossible to tell from the scan. Does the reverse have tell-tale signs on red ink specks?
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Posted 11/11/2012   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me that according to the instructions, it appears to be rotary printing (595) since the design touches the heavy line. However, it may not be a 595 which is 19.75mm by 22.25mm. I have read that some stamps over time or during soaking expand and do not return to the original size. A Weiss certificate may give you an accurate ID. Is it worth the money for a certificate? That is up to you but several sites I have seen say a certificate is required.
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Posted 11/12/2012   03:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add leoh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a scan of the front and one of the back. Yes, it's got red ink on the back. What does that mean?




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Posted 11/12/2012   05:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you have a used stamp certified? Either way the odds of it being a booklet pane is MUCH greater due to the straight edge.
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Posted 11/12/2012   06:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is definitely 554 based on the reverse
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Posted 11/12/2012   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add leoh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What causes the ink to be on the back of the stamp?
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Posted 11/12/2012   10:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When US stamps were printed on flat plate presses [obsolete for many years], the sheets were stacked when they were not completely dried. This is before putting on the gum. 99+% of the flat plate stamps have them. Rotary press stamps do not have them because the machinery does the printing, gumming, perforating, and cutting basically in one process from continuous rolls of paper.
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Posted 11/12/2012   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add leoh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While I'm disappointed a bit about it not being a 595, I happy to get the education from the more experienced collectors here. Thanks for all the info, chasa. By the way, do you know what caused the stamps printed from flat plates to widen? And is this widening only in the booklets?
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Posted 11/12/2012   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The significant widening occurs on the ROTARY press stamps [SC 578/579/594/595/596/613] when the plate [originally laid down flat on unhardened steel] is fitted to the roller. The stretch can be vertically or horizontally which are different Scott numbers.
Flat plate stamps can show slight differences in design size when paper is fed to the press 90degrees out of 'normal' when printing booklet sheets and the paper shrinks on a different bias. These differences are never as pronounced as with the rotary stretch. I have often been fooled by this when searching for SC595's especially on cover when the reverse is not easily available.
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Posted 11/12/2012   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add leoh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to the gauge it's at least 19.5 mm wide. What I'm hearing you say is, the flat plates won't make a stamp that wide. With the ink on the back, it seems we have two "definitive" signs that shouldn't be on the same stamp. Quigngt says that time or soaking may affect the width. Can you tell I want this to be a 595?
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