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Posted 10/19/2015   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
excuse me?? what in the world? ..I don't appreciate your rude comment that was inappropriate to express in the first place stating" being in denial about evidence." I guess the fact that it was originally on a sheet expressing " 500 type 1a" doesn't make a difference saying it was this BEFORE I bought it. I purchased it from an experience dealer the stamp sheet...Rule of thumb, I double checked my sheet to make sure each stamp were flat plates since unfortunately in the past have come across stamps not placed correctly on sheets with another experience I had with another seller.This gentleman was not the same dealer I had difficulties with his manner of placing stamps on sheets...Since it had another 499 next to it and was wondering what is the difference between the two stamps.
Fortunately I had the kindness of a gentleman in the forum that directed me where to look for the specific markings of the stamp..excellent description.
Since all of you feel it may be different, I will have a stamp person that has over 30 years experience exam it in person in a few days.
Thank you for your comments..Good Day to you all.

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Posted 10/19/2015   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Keep us posted on what you find out.
Folks here are at a disadvantage due to the scans.
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Posted 10/19/2015   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
P.S. I am checking for perf. 10's on top or bottom of them as well. I was told by another gentleman to double check them always to make sure if any may be top or bottom 10's. for the flat plate 11's of the 1917-19 issue, flatplate printing, perf 11, unwatermarks.. On the sheet it had a few unused ones as well including Bureau pre cancels.
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Posted 10/19/2015   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Will do stampcrow..thank you for all of your assistance..smiles
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Posted 10/19/2015   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is a perf. 12, #406.
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Posted 10/19/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As stated by others, your stamp is perf 12 and cannot be #500. However, I think that I know where your confusion comes from. I have many of the perf 12 #406 that show a complete toga rope and button, but they are relatively weak and thin compared to #500:



I also see many #425 with similar thin line detail but weaker still than the #406:


The #500 has to be perf 11 and the top of the toga rope line and the button is strong. The surest way of identifying a #500 is that the button looks like a doughnut. The circle is quite thick:



Here is a perf 11 #499 that has a nearly complete top line of the toga rope and full button, but isn't strong and thick enough to be from the intentionally modified die used to create the #500:



Many #500 will not have as strong of detail as my example, but will be significantly stronger than my #499 example.

Here's one that Clark has listed on eBay. Note how the outline of the button is still quite thick and how the area pointed to by the arrow has pretty clean and defined lines below the toga rope. Not all #500 positions nor printings have clean detail there, but it is a strong indicator if you find these clean "digs":



Here's an example of a block of #500 that doesn't have strong impressions, but you can see how the button outlines are substantially thick:
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Edited by Historical DNA Collector - 10/19/2015 10:33 pm
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Posted 10/20/2015   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I am sure all of you understand why I have to double check these sheets when I purchase them. Unfortunately, this is not the first time I have experienced buying a sheet without having my perf. guage with me at time of purchase. I am not so disappointed to be honest, just like to learn about the differences of markings ect.I have had my share of rare unused and mint ones before that I sold in past. I did get more unused stamps from this bundle as well to add to my other unused George 2 stamps I have in my collection. Even if they are not worth so much in value, like to have them as fillers.
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Thank you all for your assistance. Thank you, Ryan for your excellent information provided as well..smiles..Have a great day all!
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Posted 10/20/2015   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
blaze, am I to understand that you posted this stamp without measuring its perforations? If that's the case, I must admit to feeling a bit aggrieved as I spent some time researching the stamp.
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Posted 10/20/2015   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought the stamp that was on a sheet expressing 500 1a with other mint and used stamps on it..i did nt bring a guage when I bought it..i did try to check on it..so the other stamps on the sheet was correct but I always double check for certain high value stamps and that is why when I checked it it appeared as an 11 flatplate as well which both the type 1 and type 1a was already on the paper
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Posted 10/20/2015   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
blaze, an apology would have been better than this garbled message. Good day.
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Posted 10/20/2015   1:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
of course I attempt to check the perforations..that is why I was questioning what was placed on the sheet in the first place and asked for assistance to verify..thank you all again
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Posted 10/20/2015   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is nothing for me to appologize, KGB..I said more than once during my writings why I placed the stamp for others to assist. I appreciate the assistance that I received from several comments.
However, I don't appreciate when someone had made a very sarcastic remark in one of the write ups for no reason at all. I am not here to be a target for some rudeness to be displaced when the person does not know anything about me at all. Others read the comment expressed and agreed with me from where I am located at the moment.

Unfortunately, I have to be more careful with buying from loose stamp sheets when it comes to more expensive stamps. I don't carry a guage at all times with me when I am on my adventures looking for stamps. When I came home, I checked the perforations and had wondered if it was truly a 500 1a. There were more than one stamp series on the sheet, so I went through all of them like most collectors would have done to remove them from the sheet. I have seen this occurrance before, so I double checked it and not just take the observation of what I see from the stamp sheet right after I bought it. I did not ask the Seller if he was the one that placed them on the sheets, but I doubt it anyway. He had a very large collection with him as well. After checking it, I decided to write the question in the forum to asked the specific question, is it a 500 or something else to verify. I learned something today as well from Ryan with his information.
Thank you again for all your responses.

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