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Posted 09/25/2010   02:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rod222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Overprint on
SG0634 (1942) T0082 50c dr sun yat sen green

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Posted 09/25/2010   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sungeidai to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This overprint stamp has many types.
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Posted 09/25/2010   02:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Overprinted for use as postal savings stamp. It will not be listed in the Scott catalog.

Although the province is not specifically noted in the overprint, you can determine the province for which is was issued by the overprint type/style/color/spacing...

I'm not sure, but I think it might be Kwangtung (Guangdong) Province; but don't hold me to that. I archived most of my China into a few boxes over 2 decades ago, so I don't have anything handy to compare it to.
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Posted 09/25/2010   02:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks khj,
that saved me a lot of fruitless searching
Tony may be able to read the province.
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Posted 09/25/2010   03:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, the province name is neither written on the stamp nor in the overprint. You'd have to check the specialized catalogs and compare the overprint to determine which province/provinces it may have been issued/used. That is far beyond my abilities. Kwangtung (Guangdong) was just my best guess without having my stamps for reference. I just can't remember the details, sorry.
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Posted 09/25/2010   03:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying.

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Posted 09/25/2010   03:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's a pretty basic site that shows some of the more commonly encountered Chinese revenues (although they also have some rare ones shown as well). I'll see if I can find it and post the link.
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Posted 09/25/2010   05:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, the rarer ones would be welcomed.
I have 1,820 Chinese issues with 288 overprints listed in my collection.

This postal savings opt means that I have not come across
a similar one in 11 years of collecting.
I am aware also of the vast num of opts on the small
revenues.
China like India, rarely on offer now in our local auctions.
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The old Stefano & Casper site that used to identify unknown stamps is now dead, apparently - Google still archives their pages and images, and I was able to come up with this scrap of an image.



Your stamp matches stamp A, which was identified on the Stefano & Casper site as a Kwangtung postal savings stamp. Kim was correct, an excellent memory! (I can't remember where to find any of these overprints the next day after looking them up.)

The text, originally posted by Paul Luchter:

These are all Nationalist China wartime Postal Savings stamps, 1943. These seem to have been produced at first as Postal Savings stamps to encourage thrift and fight inflation, but due to inflation there was little acceptance of them by the populace. They then became a compulsory savings program when one bought luxuries like liquor or cigarettes. The stamps could be collected and turned in to banks and post offices for a savings bond. But due to inflation the savings bonds were worthless, thus this can be considered a revenue stamp dressed in postal savings stamps/bonds clothing. (There had been true postal savings stamps through the 1930's and early 1940's, first and second issues). If cancelled it would be a philatelic favor cancel. They have also never been seen on a piece of luxury item, so were evidently sold separately in some proportion to the purchase. "The low denominations and lack of odd denominations seem to support this theory" (from "The Wartime Postal Savings stamps of 1943").
Stamp A is a Postal Savings stamp 1943 for Kwangtung province, the four characters (Chu, Chieh, Chin, Chien) roughly translate as "Thrift-National Reconstruction Savings".
Stamp B is a Postal Savings stamp for Kiangsi province, 1943.
Stamp C is a Postal Savings stamp for Fukien province, the extra surcharge at bottom for 30 (over 10), 1943.
Stamp D is for Kansu, #6. It is rarer than the others, 1943.

Ryan
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Posted 09/25/2010   07:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic Ryan, thanks for your time in searching
on my behalf.
They are saved on my HDD as * surcharge opt postal savings,
so that they will always surface when I search for
any altered Chinese stamps. :)

BTW I ordered the Cinderella CD Thanks.
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Posted 09/25/2010   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kim and Ryan have done a nice work, as there are a lot of overprint types on this stamp, it is toilsome to do on this work. I have learn from you again, thanks.

I do not know much on these, try to show some types which only overprint on 50 cent(5 Jiao) in black, these types below are still incomplete, sorry. And each adjaceney in the illustration is not precise, please reference the explanation.










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Posted 09/25/2010   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome back ZhangCheng,
I have missed your auctions.

Thanks for that resource, excellent.
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Posted 09/25/2010   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are welcome Rod.
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Posted 09/25/2010   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the link I mentioned earlier for IDing some Chinese revenues:

http://www.chinarevenuestamps.com/
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Posted 09/25/2010   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks Kim for this great web, stowing now.
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Hi Rod

You might want to try the folowing for more information:

http://www.dandotra.com/waterlow2.php and

http://www.chinesephilately.com/

Hope these sites will help.

Chimo

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