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Are 'Stampless' Covers All Valuable?

 
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Pillar Of The Community
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Posted 10/20/2010   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have someone offering me 2 1840s stampless
letters for 10 bux total. Is that cheap? About
right? High? Both have postal town cancels, but
only one has a numeral up where the stamp would
go. It is a blue "5". The other just has the
town cancel, nothing else. Both are like envelopes
that unfold to expose a letter. Both are local
government business from what I understand.
One is dated Oct 1841, the other some time in 1848.

I thought you needed a stamp by 1848? Or could it
be stampless due to being official business?

Thank you for your input!
I normally wouldn't care for something like this,
but if your average stampless cover is worth more
than 5 bux wholesale, then I should probably
buy these. I 5 bux each for an average specimen is
retail, then I shouldn't spend money I don't
have right now.
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Posted 10/20/2010   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Whoops... the other DOES have a handwritten "6" and is stamped "PAID".
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Posted 10/21/2010   12:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XNBer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One factor to consider:

Are you collecting postage stamps or postage articles?

That aside, at that price; I would consider the price fair, if not a bargain for a collectable postal item.

You can probably get at least $10 back from even an antique collector.
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Posted 10/21/2010   12:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't want them, Get them and I'll take them plus shipping.
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Posted 10/21/2010   01:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well for the 1841 cover the rate of 6c is correct for, if I recall, distances of up to 30 miles.

In 1845 rates changed to 5c per 1/2 oz up to 300 miles and 10c per 1/2 oz for over 300 miles. In 1847 rates to the west coast came out and it was 40c per 1/2 oz.

Prepayment of domestic wasn't compulsory until early 1855, until then an awful lot of letters were sent postage collect. Prepayment by stamps was required starting in 1856 on domestic mail. You might be surprised but in 1848 very little mail actually carried stamps, I've heard as little as 5% if that.

If they are in nice shape, $10 for 2 stampless covers seems cheap to me. One thing that's a lot of fun with stampless covers from this period is that they are quite frequently to or from people of interest or historical figures. We take paper and mail for granted today, but back in this period both paper and postage were luxuries.
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Posted 12/02/2010   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It all depends on the Postmarks from what little I understand. Here is one I'm struggling with to find a value, as you can see it is a bit different from most.

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Posted 12/02/2010   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer:

Your stampless cover is excellent! Picked this off the internet when searching for the addressee. Sounds like it was the wife of the recipient:


Quote:
Obituary of Chloe Landon Hoyt
New York Observer
August 27, 1857
In New Haven, Vt., 10th inst., Mrs. Chloe Hoyt, wife of Jonathan Hoyt, esq., aged 75. Mrs. H. was a native of Salisbury, Conn. Her maiden name was Landon. Soon after her marriage, she came, in 1802, with her husband, to Vermont, and has been a resident in New Haven 55 years. She has been a member of the Congregational Church in this place 54 years, and among its most exemplary and devoted members, distinguished for her love of the truth, a spirit of prayer, and her liberality. For more than a third of a century, at least, she was in the habit of rising at 4 o'clock in the morning, in winter as well as in summer, for the purpose of reading her Bible and for communion with her Saviour in prayer. This fact, no doubt, contributed materially to the steadfastness and growth of her Christian course which eminently chracterized her. Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord.
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Posted 12/02/2010   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find, I am 6th Generation Hoyt. Here is page 1 of the Hoyt side of my family showing your research is dead accurate :)

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Posted 12/11/2010   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer:
I have a value on that cover...

You being a Hoyt + having that cover = Priceless.

Glad to be of assistance!
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