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Posted 12/17/2010   11:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
T.S. Harrison was the note printer of the day and the only one that could do an engraved printing so the 1913 KGV was taken off the stamp printer of the day J.B. Cooke. It was noticed straight away that Harrison was not going to be able to supply the 500 million penny red stamps that were needed per year at that time. The relationship between the 2 printers was very poor. Cooke printered the 1914 KGVs and Harrison took over Cooke's job in 1918.

To truly identify the 1913 KGVs printing flaws, it would take sometime to learn. Every stamp looks different to me.
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Posted 12/18/2010   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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In fact, it looks like even SG may not have noticed the difference at first, as the 1914 definitive is SG illustration 5a, ie an afterthought- SG illustration 3 is Horamkhet's stamp, 4 is the laughing kookaburra 6d issued at the same time, 5 is the new watermark for the 1914 defins, and 6 is the 1915 watermark. So to me it seems that they realised in 1915 that the stamp design had changed in 1914. Or is there an alternative explanation?


In my 1937 Gibbons Part 1, they were using the same numbering: 5 for the watermark, and 5a for the typo version of the George V.

If I had to guess, I'd say that at some early point, Gibbons decided to economize on blocks, and use the same block to illustrate both the recess and typo issues. At some later point, they must have awoken to the error of their ways, and added a separate illustration of the typo type.

As a matter of curiosity, how does the Gibbons Simplified treat the two types? Does it distinguish them?
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Posted 12/18/2010   12:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As a matter of curiosity, how does the Gibbons Simplified treat the two types? Does it distinguish them?


Yes the 1913 is a true image. referred to as 3.
The 1914 is a true image. referred to as 5a.

Hope I have answer your question. KGV
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Posted 12/18/2010   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't owned a Gibbons Simplified since the days when it was just one, rather large, book. I'm glad to see that they still go into enough detail to distinguish these two, anyway.
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Posted 12/18/2010   01:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am only a resent owner of a Gibbons Simplified.
I am not going to buy another one!
Only purchased it for the numbers.
Next one I will get is a Scott's.
And for the same reason. John
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Posted 12/18/2010   04:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Anthony UK

I am using a HP Photosmart Premium Printer and then I edit the photo with Microsoft picture Library I crop it to about 500 x 550 pixels then resize it to Large document and then download it via photobucket and it seems to work well.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 12/18/2010   04:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi to all

I showed this to a well know stamp dealer in Melbourne and he said that it looks like one of the rare varieties and that fact that it is mint makes it more interesting. He also said that the colour is very unusual.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 12/18/2010   05:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Horamkhet,
You don't need to crop it. When you upload to photobucket it will be resized into various sizes that can be linked to and the forum software will also crop it for display so even if your hosted image (on photobucket, Flickr etc) is 10000x10000 it will still display fine on the forum but the full sized image will be shown when clicked.

Anthony
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Posted 12/18/2010   06:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I showed this to a well know stamp dealer in Melbourne and he said that it looks like one of the rare varieties and that fact that it is mint makes it more interesting. He also said that the colour is very unusual.


I looked over the stamp against the list of known flaws in Rosenblum's book, which is certainly rather old now, and couldn't find anything in this stamp that was mentioned there. Maybe with a higher resolution scan it might be possible to see what is of interest. What did the dealer indicate as the variety?

On the other hand, the defective perforations at top would severely affect the value, I would have thought.
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Posted 12/19/2010   02:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have been thinking of my history in Aust KGVs.
Anybody that has some of the 1914 defins KGVs and comes across the commemorative 1913 KGV and the difference between them has not been explained. It really gets the, I have a rare stamp here feeling. Look, it has no watermark that makes the stamp worth $5,000-$6,000. Look at the rare perforation, perf 11, this has got be the find of life time.
That shade looks like the rare smooth paper pink eosin a 2,000 stamp on top of it all. I am going to buy this and buy that and then the reality of the 1913 KGV is found and the information just brings us back down to ground level again.I do not think, many people have not had this experience. Happy stamping KGV.
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Posted 12/19/2010   05:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am only a resent owner of a Gibbons Simplified.
I am not going to buy another one!
Only purchased it for the numbers.
Next one I will get is a Scott's.
And for the same reason. John


I think the SG simplified identifies where one is at with
collecting.
My simplified did well for 2 years, then the frustration
began to arrive.
The simplified is still OK for the "L" platers.

(albeit, we have to apologise to 54 pine trees)
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Posted 12/19/2010   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know I bore people with this, but if you collect ANY GB or Commonwealth, or Empire, SG is the ONLY way to go. Scott (god bless their cotton socks), does NOT stack up.
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Posted 12/19/2010   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The type of simplified catalogue that I like is the visually strong in design.
Renniks Stamps of Australia is strong in the Decimal, as it has a quality image of each stamp and the sets are in the printed order. Basicly, has no information other than the name of the stamp. Having a image reference like this make a hard job a lot easier for me. To have a written description only of most of the stamps I find not very easy to work with. Renniks has spoiled me! KGV
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