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Help To ID A Couple Of NY Perfins

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Posted 12/29/2010   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wt1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any idea what New York entity would have used these perfins?

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Posted 12/29/2010   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi wt1

I believe that the NYL perfin was used by the New York Life Assurance company - not sure where the other one was though. I have listings from a lot of countries but the US one is sparse :(

Chimo

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Posted 12/30/2010   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CH/NY is NY State Dept of Public Works (C155 e-rated)
NYL is New York Life (Buffalo office) (N113A-3 d-rated)
Their main office in NYC used the NYL letters with no extra holes
branch offices each had their own identifying extra holes
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Posted 12/30/2010   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting information, Chasa. Thanks. I was always told that the extra dots were probably due to poor or misaligned equipment that made the perfins, but now I know otherwise.

Based on what detail you have identified, is there a catalog or some reference source you use to gather this information?

If you don't mind looking at these, I wonder if you can ID them for me, too. The first one, I believe, is "Western Union" but is there any significance about the dot between the letters? The last one is obviously the State of Ohio, but again is there any significance about the extra dot well below the first "O". The two middle ones, I have no idea as to their identity.

If it helps, these perfins are all on 1933 Century of Progress stamps #728 and #729.



Thanks for whatever info. you can provide.
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Posted 12/31/2010   05:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The first one, I believe, is "Western Union" but is there any significance about the dot between the letters?

Yes, that dot varies in location for various Western Union offices. Your copies come from the Jersey City, NJ office. Perfin pattern number is W199-21, rating factor is E.

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The last one is obviously the State of Ohio, but again is there any significance about the extra dot well below the first "O"

Again, the dot location varies for different offices. The perfin belongs to The Standard Oil Company of Ohio, with your copy coming from the Toledo office. Perfin pattern number is O32, rating factor is E.

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The two middle ones, I have no idea as to their identity.

The confusing perfin is punched with a large W and a smaller CO inside. You have pattern number W59, belonging to Wayne County of Detroit, MI. Rating factor is E.

The PH perfin isn't specifically noted as to origin for some reason, but it's almost exactly the same design as two other perfins belonging to Peter Henderson & Company, New York, NY. I guess the omission is probably due to a lack of confirmation such as an example found on cover showing the sender's name. Pattern number is P102.5, rating factor is C.

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Posted 12/31/2010   05:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much for your help. I would have never guessed the origin without your input. In fact, I just looked up Peter Henderson & Co. and found out they were a seed company, so I guess these perfins would have been quite common in terms of the seed catalogs they must have sent out during the year.
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Posted 01/01/2011   04:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Great information Ryan

(Signs of a majestic Library too )
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Posted 01/13/2011   07:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just uncovered a couple of more perfins, which may be a bit easier to identify (?) as they are both on New Jersey precancels:



The one on the left is on a precancel from Elizabeth, NJ; the one on the right (VR) from Paterson, NJ.

Any idea of the companies represented here?

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Posted 01/14/2011   04:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The one on the left is on a precancel from Elizabeth, NJ; the one on the right (VR) from Paterson, NJ.

Any idea of the companies represented here?

The Diamond (S) perfin is from the Singer Manufacturing Company (the sewing machine guys). The VR perfin is from the Van Raalte Company, apparently a lingerie firm. Both are minimum value perfins.

Ryan
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Posted 01/14/2011   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help. I never expected any of these to be worth a fortune, I'm just starting (on a small scale) some album pages with perfins and wanted to note identify the correct companies whenever possible.
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Posted 02/07/2011   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another perfin identification needed, please.

The stamp is a Tyler 10-cent variety from the Presidential Series, postmarked New York, NY. Looking for information about the "SAL" perfin:

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Posted 02/08/2011   05:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Looking for information about the "SAL" perfin:

Perfin pattern number S27, rarity factor D - Swedish American Line, NY, NY.

Ryan
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Posted 02/08/2011   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. I would have never thought to think that this would have represented a passenger ship line.
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Posted 02/13/2011   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found another NY, NY precancel perfin from the 1930's, I would guess. Any ideas as to the company represented by the "C-H" initials?



Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted 02/15/2011   12:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two more perfins for which I need ID help (both on NY, NY 3-cent precanceled stamps of the 1930's):

I believe this one is "KFS":


And this one "TC&S":
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Posted 02/16/2011   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Any ideas as to the company represented by the "C-H" initials?

That one is perfin pattern C146, belonging to the Cutler-Hammer Manufacturing Co.. Value in the 2009 catalogue is minimal, 15 cents.

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I believe this one is "KFS":

Perfin pattern K32, belonging to King Features Syndicate (hooray Krazy Kat!). Again, 15 cents.

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And this one "TC&S":

Perfin pattern T28, Thomas Cook & Son, 15 cents.

Ryan
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