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Definitive Or Commemorative

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Posted 01/04/2011   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add smauggie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Christmas stamps have always been in a kind of category of their own. The question is, are they . . .

A Definitive or A Commemorative?



What about the United States Love stamps?
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Posted 01/04/2011   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fredcdobbs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My 44 cents, says definitely not a definitive.
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Posted 01/04/2011   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moonbird to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitive has an ongoing use. Commemorative relates to a specific person or event and is of limited duration.
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Posted 01/04/2011   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMO, I would categorize Christmas stamps as "commemorative", as they "commemorate" the Christmas (er, Holiday to those who prefer the generic term surrounding the period from Thanksgiving to the New Year, no matter what your religious affiliation, if any). The same can be said for the occasional stamps that are issued for Thanksgiving, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, New Year, etc.

The Love stamp is a bit of a gray area to me. I remember the first Love Stamp (8 cent Scott #1475) which I always categorized as a commemorative. Since the current trend is toward wedding invitations and Love stamps printed in various denominations for mailing invitations and the return of RSVP cards, I guess they could now be categorized as more of a regular issue. (BTW, I wonder what the new "Forever" stamps are going to do to this series--will they issue a denominated stamp for the invitation and "Forever" stamps for the return of the RSVP cards?).

Just my opinion. I'm sure there are others who will chime in as well.


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Posted 01/04/2011   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petermac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Commemorative, definitively.
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Posted 01/04/2011   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is actually a very interesting question, although the majority of US collector will respond commemorative (including myself).

Scott and USPS classify them as commemoratives. But interestingly, Minkus classifies them as regular issue!

Of course, Minkus catalogs are no longer published...
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Posted 01/04/2011   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, Commemorative
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Posted 01/04/2011   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add laswabbie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are issued for a very limited time so I go with commemorative also.
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Posted 01/04/2011   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitively commemorative...... ?
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Posted 01/05/2011   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would kindly wish to disagree. A X-mas stamps is closer to a definitive then a commemorative in so much as how it is sold & distributed for postal use.

I would prefer to assign these issues into another category "Annuals".
They are issued each year to commemorate an annual event religious, secular, cultural or traditional.

Remember commemorative usually commemorate a singular current event/person or anniversary of an event/person.
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Posted 01/05/2011   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
isn't Christmas an anniversary of an event/person? LOL
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Posted 01/05/2011   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moonbird to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
warrehouse.......if folks just went and established a new category according to their own views then we would have no classification system in philately.
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Edited by Moonbird - 01/06/2011 09:34 am
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Posted 01/05/2011   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
weavus13 to the forum.

Christmas is an event/person, but you never know it by the stamps that are issued that rarely adorn Jesus & Mary.
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Posted 01/05/2011   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A glossary in the back of a Postal Service Guide to US Stamps defines a "commemorative" as:

"Stamps that honor anniversaries, important people, special events, or aspects of national culture."

Don't know if it helps to clarify or not, but I would say Christmas stamps fall under this definition.

That same source, defines "definitives" as:

"Regular issues of postage stamps, usually sold over long periods of time. They tend to be fairly small and printed in large quantites, often more than once."
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Posted 01/05/2011   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Moonbird, Thanks! You do not see the merit in the possibility?

Most often these stamps are packaged & sold in similar fashion as a definitive issue.
Minkus for years listed X-mas as definitive. Early X-mas stams were precanceled, principally the domain of definitives.

If it was so clear-cut this tread would never have started.
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Posted 01/06/2011   03:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GB Christmas stamps always used to be in a commemorative size. Now they are the same size as machin definitives just to add to the confusion.
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