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Posted 01/15/2011   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Horamkhet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message


Hi to all
I know nothing about stamps so this is could be a find or not a find,

I have looked at the watermark of this stamp under a Morley-Bright Watermark detector and I am getting more confused.
The SG Catalogue says the error has the Crown to the left of the COA.
Now the COA to me looks inverted and the Crown is definitely to the left of the COA. Could I be that lucky. This is also part of the family accumulation that I am sorting out, so I bought a SG Australia Catalogue.
Where would I go from here to find out if it is the error or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Regards,
Horamakhet
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Posted 01/15/2011   07:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scan the back of the stamp on a black background and post a picture.
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Posted 01/15/2011   07:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Stallzer
This is the best scan I could get.
You can faintly see the COA and the Crown is definitely on the left hand side of the COA,
Regards,
Horamakhet
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Posted 01/15/2011   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know if this helps or not but here is your scan with the exposure darkened twice.

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Posted 01/15/2011   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You have me confused.
Which error do you refer to?
AFAIK This comes in wmk 15 (multiple crown over CofA)
or no wmk.
The more valuable one is SG253b sepia.
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Posted 01/15/2011   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod222

The catalogue I have SG 6th Edition 2010 definitely states that 253 (A) has the crown to the left of the COA, and the Stamp I have scanned has the Crown left of the COA, 253B in sepia according to the catalogue has a value of 13.00 and also it has no watermark according to the catalogue The A is the one that is supposed to be very valuable. So I am still confused.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 01/15/2011   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK.
I would just re read your catalogue again,
sometimes we can get a little confused
( and it may be me )
SG253a for me, is an unwatermarked stamp worth 35 cents. (1957)
caveat: my cat is 1993
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Posted 01/15/2011   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod222

The catalogue definitely says 253 2/6 deep brown $1.50 Mint 0.70c used
253aw Wmk Crown to left of COA 5000 pound used.
B no watermark
ba sepia 13.00 pound.
The Crown is definitely to the left of the COA.
Still I am confused as so far only four have been found and A mint one turned up recently with the incorrect watermark.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 01/15/2011   09:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much.
I look forward to checking this out,
I have never come across this before in the
Aboriginal issue.
This must be a recent addition.
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Posted 01/15/2011   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Mr. Gwoya Jungarai.

(Note the choice of words by the author
"completely uneducated", let's put the author
in the Tanami desert, and see how long he lasts)


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Edited by rod222 - 01/15/2011 09:10 am
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Posted 01/15/2011   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod222

The error is only a recent find I believe in the last 3 or 4 years.
Horamakhet
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Posted 01/15/2011   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I definitely see crown to the left, and COA on the right reading backwards from bottom to top. Now the question is does Gibbons position the crown as seen from the back or the front?
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Posted 01/15/2011   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Horamkhet,

This looks to be the normal version to me.

I think the easiest way to see the orientation is to look at the "A" of "C of A". Then remember the crown is "above" the "C of A".

If the top of the A points to the right as this one does (as viewed from the back with the stamp the usual way way up!) then this is what the catalogue means by "crown to right of C of A".

Sorry if I've made this more confusing!



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Posted 01/15/2011   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I am a bit confused too. This is what I see. Is it what everyone else sees? There is a crown to the left AND right.



To me, the difference between regular and inverted would be "C of A" reading up or down.
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Posted 01/15/2011   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp comes with wmk 15





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Edited by rod222 - 01/15/2011 10:37 am
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Posted 01/15/2011   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee,

As Rod said the watermark is multiple crown over CofA so basically there is a crown above / below / to the left / to the right of each CofA.

The basic pattern that's repeated is "crown over CofA" so where you've highlighted you have a crown over CofA and (to their left as you look at it) the crown from the next crown over CofA below (relative to the first crown over CofA).

When the catalogue refers to the crown being to the right of the CofA (as you view it from the back) it's referring to the crown from the same "crown over CofA"). And in this case the crown is to the right of the CofA.

I think it would have been easier to say that the top of the A points to the left (for the error) or to the right (for the normal stamp) when viewed from the back.

It's unusual for SG to refer to how watermarks appear from the back. Their illustrations show the watermark as its appears from the front of the stamp.

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