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Posted 01/22/2011   12:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These came to me in a small lot of Sudan, and I thought I'd post them, as Scott doesn't make sense to me on these stamps. SG has a better handle on them.







I believe these are both Type I overprints in SG. The typeface on Type II is smaller, I believe. Scott pictures a pair, one of each font size, but doesn't identify them, at all. There are two Scott numbers, with dramatically different values, but no explanation of which is which (as far as I can tell). SG values the Type I much lower than the Type II.

I'll dig out Sudan tomorrow and see if I have a Type II to post.

If I'm misreading Scott and giving them a bum rap, please let me know.
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Posted 01/22/2011   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Me too, I will dig out 2morrow, I have some used. Cool stamps, Rod222 certified.
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Posted 01/22/2011   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In Scott The larger lettered version is #MO1, MO3, posted below the image of the overprint.
The smaller lettered version is #MO2, MO4.
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Edited by warrehouse - 01/22/2011 12:55 am
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Posted 01/22/2011   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The difference sizes of the two overprints are as follows:

Overprint 'ARMY' 'OFFICIAL'

Large 9.25mm 16mm
Small 8.25mm 13.5mm

Happy hunting!
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Posted 01/22/2011   01:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That could be expressed a little clearer -

Large overprint 'ARMY' (9.25mm long) 'OFFICIAL' (16mm long)
Small overprint 'ARMY' (8.25mm long) 'OFFICIAL' (13.5mm long)

There is a variety with this overprint also, dropped 'O' of 'OFFICIAL'.
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Posted 01/22/2011   01:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that these look like Gibbons Type A1. Gibbons lists it on both the W4 watermark (multi star and crescent) and W3 watermark (quatrefoil). The latter is the one to have: £190 mint/£200 used, against £5.50 mint/£2.75 used.

Gibbons also lists an '!' for 'I' in OFFICIAL error.
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Posted 01/22/2011   01:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wow! Collin, have you seen the wiki image for Kassala ?
that has to be one of the most amazing images, and rock formations
I have seen.
What a place.

Nice stamps, absent in my collection :(

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Posted 01/22/2011   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I guess I can see what the Scott editors meant with the caption. Tying them together in one clause with the "and" is not as clear as it could be, but it should have made sense to me.

Rod, its easy to see why a settlement would have congregated around those rocks over time. Pretty striking today; must have been magical to the ancients. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Posted 01/22/2011   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I checked my Sudan Army camels and they are all of this type:


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Posted 01/22/2011   12:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

OK, so someone please chime in and tell me what these may be then.







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Posted 01/22/2011   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and a couple of perfins for good measure.





And I don't know what this is at all.

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Posted 01/22/2011   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bfranton, Those are all Sudan official and army official stamps, I don't have the exact catalogue numbers. The last one is Sudan Scott #5, one of the first stamps of Sudan.

The 1 piastre Army Service with the Kodok cancel is very nice, because Kodok is located in the soon-to-be independent South Sudan.
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Posted 01/22/2011   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add timbres667 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
bfranton
The stamps overprint O.S.G.S. are Official Stamps. The first one is Scott #O8 $0.25 used in 2007. The second one is #O5 $2.25 mint. The next one is an Army Official Stamp #M08 $0.20 used. The fourth one is the same and it's M09 $0.40 used. For the perfins Scott don't mention it.The last one is an Egyptian stamp overprint "Soudan" Sudan in french. It's Sudan #5 valued $9.00 mint.
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Posted 01/22/2011   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The Sudan stamps with holes are not Perfins
(Perforated Initials)
They are, presumably Government Issued
and, therefore regarded as "Punctures"

Thes Punctured stamps "Sudanese Government", and
"Army Service" must be of doubtful parentage,
as Gibbons no longer lists them.
No reason is offered.


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Posted 01/22/2011   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1m, 2m, 3m, 5m, 1p, 2p black & blue, 2p purple & orange-yellow, 5p (chalk-surfaced paper) and 10p were punctured 'AS' and replaced the overprinted Army Service stamps on 1 January 1912.

The perforating blocks for puncturing the stamps were made by De La Rue in 1911. The 'A' has 12 holes and the 'S' 11.

Quantities perforated vary considerably. 914,400 of the 5m were supplied from November 1912, whereas only 600 of the 10p were perforated.

There are different types of perforation, suggesting different settings, and there are forgeries. For instance, the 10p (chalk-surfaced paper) with 'AS' punctures is a forgery, as there is no record of this stamp being produced in the De La Rue archives.
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Edited by Plateflaw - 01/22/2011 5:31 pm
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Posted 01/22/2011   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing Information,
Thanks PF.
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