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Posted 01/22/2011   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
he Sudan stamps with holes are not Perfins
(Perforated Initials)
They are, presumably Government Issued
and, therefore regarded as "Punctures"

Thes Punctured stamps "Sudanese Government", and
"Army Service" must be of doubtful parentage,
as Gibbons no longer lists them.
No reason is offered.


Good news, then: Gibbons does list the AS punctures these days.

The 2 Mil is SG A18, cat. 70p used; the 5 Mil is AG A20, cat. 50p used
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Posted 01/22/2011   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add timbres667 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great info Plateflaw
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Posted 01/22/2011   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "SOUDAN' overprint: Gibbons cautions that 'Numerous forgeries exist ...', and that there are also unauthorised reprints.
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Posted 01/22/2011   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tony,

Guess forgers were around early on; but since these particular books were my grandfathers, and haven't seen the light of day since he last worked on them in the late 20's (based on stamp ages) possibly the 30s... I'll take a chance they'd be real. And, I guess some collect forgeries?

Barb
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Posted 01/22/2011   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Barb, you can't take very much for granted in the world of stamps, and age is no guarantee that a stamp is genuine.

I was doing some digging around among the forgeries of the Bundi Sacred Cows



the other day. They were issued between 1914 and 1941. I found a note to the effect that some new issue supplies sent to Gibbons in 1920 from the Bundi Post Office itself contained forgeries of the then current issues.

It gets far worse, though. Supplies of these Jammu & Kashmir Circulars



again, from the State Post Office, in the 1880s were found to contain forgeries of recently superseded issues.

When you can't even trust the Post Office ...
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Posted 01/22/2011   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll be happy to have you "expertise" my stamps any day. :)
(or at least tell me if I should get something expertised.
I stand in awe of the collective knowledge here.
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Posted 01/23/2011   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rummaging in my bookshelf, I found this summary of the six genuine types of SOUDAN overprint in my old 1980 Bridger & Kay Commonwealth Five Reigns Catalogue. It might help you to at least work out if your copy has a genuine overprint or not:



The catalogue also lists and prices the Sudan Military Telegraphs sets of 1897, 1898 and 1899-1901. Anyone interested in a scan?
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Posted 01/23/2011   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's impressive information Tony,

Yes, May I have a Scan please :)

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Posted 01/23/2011   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, absolutely. My only listing of the Sudan telegraphs is Byrum, so something else would be nice to have, either as confirmation or correction.

And now, for the first silly question of the new week, is a 1980 Bridger & Kay Commonwealth Five Reigns Catalogue worth seeking out? Sounds enticing...
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Posted 01/23/2011   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perfin? Puncture?
"... a rose by any other name
would smell as sweet."

Please do send me a scan too. Thanks.
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Posted 01/23/2011   5:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Due to overwhelming demand, we present, ladies & gentlemen, the Bridge & Kay Commonwealth Five Reigns 1980 Catalogue Sudan Military Telegraphs listing:



V7/V13 are the 5 Mil to 10 Piastre SOUDAN overprints on Egypt.

Cjd, the 1980 was the last edition of the catalogue. Apparently, the publishers have no intention of updating it. The coverage is patchy: you don't get all five reigns for everywhere. India, for example starts with Edward VII, and doesn't include the Indian States at all That said, it is always handy to have someone else's view of things. I've no idea what they sell for these days, but as long as the price was fairly modest, I'd go for it.
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Posted 01/23/2011   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Perfin? Puncture?
"... a rose by any other name
would smell as sweet."


Yes indeed
you can call them holes if you wish.
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